So what do we think about FireFox 3.6.4's new feature? The fabled OOPP, which allows one affiliated app (like Flash) to crash without crashing the browser itself? Good? Bad? Indifferent?

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Well, isolation is almost always good. Hardware enforced isolation is even better. but the real problem - Flash must go !!! what other plugin can crash like flash? there are no competitors, flash = trash.

Well, we have flashblock. That seems to work good for me. For those things that I do view in flash, I have never had a crash.

I find as a good approach for stability ndboard, but, to be fair, the latest flash version, I don't know what they did, but on my system (win2k, K-M 1.1.6 and GRE update) is performing very good. So maybe this new feature is not necessary now

I used to have crashes with full screen videos and now... 0 (zero). I watched FIFA 2010 cup matches with online streams at full screen and the 90 minutes were absolutely stable, no hangs, no crash, nothing.

chrome also has separate processes. Maybe ok when You have ample resources.

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chrome also has separate processes. Maybe ok when You have ample resources.

Guenter,

I've heard rumors that this OOPP thingee is a problem because it increases memory leak problems that are endemic in FF (with SQLite, etc) by running each app in a separate memory module, or some such. This kind of stuff is way beyond my skill limits, so my excuses if I am pushing junk science here.

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chrome also has separate processes. Maybe ok when You have ample resources.

Guenter,

I've heard rumors that this OOPP thingee is a problem because it increases memory leak problems that are endemic in FF (with SQLite, etc) by running each app in a separate memory module, or some such. This kind of stuff is way beyond my skill limits, so my excuses if I am pushing junk science here.

Firefox doesn't have memory leaks unless you are talking about the older versions (FF 1.x~2.x). It's addons (only problematic ones not all addons) that cause memory leaks.

However, it's true that separating process increases memory usage. As the evidence for that, Google Chrome consumes a lot of memory despite its simple functionality.

Well, I think it's not a bad thing if you have plenty of resource as Guenter says. It can improve a number of things like stability and performance with multi-core processor.

I too do not recall ever experiencing a flash-crash.:O

Charlie

~~If it ain't broke, why screw it up?~~

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chrome also has separate processes. Maybe ok when You have ample resources.

Guenter,

I've heard rumors that this OOPP thingee is a problem because it increases memory leak problems that are endemic in FF (with SQLite, etc) by running each app in a separate memory module, or some such. This kind of stuff is way beyond my skill limits, so my excuses if I am pushing junk science here.

Firefox doesn't have memory leaks unless you are talking about the older versions (FF 1.x~2.x). It's addons (only problematic ones not all addons) that cause memory leaks.

However, it's true that separating process increases memory usage. As the evidence for that, Google Chrome consumes a lot of memory despite its simple functionality.

Well, I think it's not a bad thing if you have plenty of resource as Guenter says. It can improve a number of things like stability and performance with multi-core processor.

Ah well, that leaves me out with my old Pentium M single core processor! <weak grin>

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Google Chrome consumes a lot of memory despite its simple functionality.

It can improve a number of things like stability and performance with multi-core processor.

This feature can probably also help with other systems - RAM is not so scarce as it use to be.

For me: a can maybe even a like to have but not a must have



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i met high cpu usage suddenly many times, and km froze then, and the only way to go is restart the browser.

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i met high cpu usage suddenly many times, and km froze then, and the only way to go is restart the browser.

i wonder if visiting flash-heavy sites can cause KM to have high cpu usage?

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i met high cpu usage suddenly many times, and km froze then, and the only way to go is restart the browser.

i wonder if visiting flash-heavy sites can cause KM to have high cpu usage?

4td8s,

Probably, but does not using Flashblock counter that by blocking unless you click on a flash content?

P.S. It seems that there are some issues with OOPP at FF, as per this thread at MozillaZine.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1934135&sid=d392cfcc7f4a2484a99c95f231a9c4c8

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2010 01:44PM by ndebord.