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TheWorld7 is slightly bigger in size, has pepperflash instead np-flash plugin and - what is most crucial for me - has problems with running some types of bookmarklets.

No, TW6 doesn't have addons menu as well as TW7 - because TheWorld doesn't support addons at all. Except for inbuilt adblock.

But it's rather good choice too.

I sent feedback to Softpedia about that so-called "addons menu" quite a while ago, but there was no response and their review hasn't changed, either. I didn't expect TheWorld to support addons in the first place, and didn't need them anyway.

I know what you mean about the bookmarklet problem, because my bookmarklet for sending a page to Google Translate doesn't work in TW. Perhaps this is because bookmarks always open there in a new tab, as did my bookmarklet, so the page to be translated couldn't be found by Google Translate. My workaround is to drag the URL of the page to be translated from the URL bar over to my home page in another tab, which is always open. The home page has a number of search boxes, one of which is for Google Translate, and that's where I put the URL. It works just fine.

On the other hand, bookmarklets work just fine in K-Meleon, and my translation bookmarklet is a button I created in one of the toolbars (I don't use the bookmarks toolbar).

Yes, TheWorld is a good alternate browser. Of course, Google keeps nagging me to upgrade Chrome, because TheWorld7 is based on Chrome 48. Here in K-Meleon I'm currently spoofing Firefox 52, and Google leaves me alone (so far).

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Gerry

Just regarding google-translate:
in KM it simply calls it with the URL, like that:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkmeleonbrowser.org%2Fforum%2Fread.php%3F1%2C141358%2C141427%23msg-141427&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en
But the translated part appears in a frame with another domain, so this lower part becomes visible only if cross-domain subdocuments are allowed (one of the permission prefs):
translate.googleusercontent.com

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Just regarding google-translate:
in KM it simply calls it with the URL, like that:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkmeleonbrowser.org%2Fforum%2Fread.php%3F1%2C141358%2C141427%23msg-141427&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en
But the translated part appears in a frame with another domain, so this lower part becomes visible only if cross-domain subdocuments are allowed (one of the permission prefs):
translate.googleusercontent.com

This is what I've been using in KM (can't remember where I found it):
javascript:var t=((window.getSelection&&window.getSelection())||(document.getSelection&&document.getSelection())||(document.selection&&document.selection.createRange&&document.selection.createRange().text));var e=(document.charset||document.characterSet);if(t!=''){location.href='http://translate.google.com/translate_t?text='+t+'&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie='+e;}else{location.href='http://translate.google.com/translate?u='+escape(location.href)+'&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie='+e;};

I don't actually use that from a bookmark, however, because I've set my bookmarks to open in new tabs. Instead, I created a macro with it so that I could create a toolbar button for it, like this:

TranslatePage{
open("javascript:var t=((window.getSelection&&window.getSelection())||(document.getSelection&&document.getSelection())||(document.selection&&document.selection.createRange&&document.selection.createRange().text));var e=(document.charset||document.characterSet);if(t!=''){location.href='http://translate.google.com/translate_t?text='+t+'&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie='+e;}else{location.href='http://translate.google.com/translate?u='+escape(location.href)+'&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie='+e;};")
}

Of course, another option that has worked for me is assigning the script to one of the hotlinks, which doesn't require a macro.

Ever try Google Translate on the Russian posts in this forum? The English results are often hilarious.

Sorry about wandering off-topic here!

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Gerry

Back to the topic of web streaming, could someone try a few of the streaming webcams at www.earthcam.com -- Times Square for example -- and see if they work in K-Meleon? Over the last couple of days none of EarthCam's streaming cams work for me, and they don't work on my friend's computer, either. We're both using KM 75, and get nothing but a black screen. Streaming webcams on all other sites still work just fine. These are all Flash-based cams, by the way.

EarthCam's webcams work in Chrome-based browsers, however, so I suspect the Javascript used by the site may have been changed, resulting in incompatibility with Mozilla-based browsers.

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Tested with both KM 75.1 and KM 76RC2 on Win7 and the streams on that site are working fine.

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Tested with both KM 75.1 and KM 76RC2 on Win7 and the streams on that site are working fine.

Thanks, Yogi. Oddly enough, they still aren't working here. Also, if I try the right-click menu, normally I'd see info about Flash. Instead, I get a context menu with a white background and no text. The browser then locks up and I have to force it to close. I haven't changed anything in my setup since a few days ago, when the streams were working. Besides, my friend's computer does the same thing, and our systems are very different. Now it seems like there must be some sort of regional routing problem preventing the site from loading properly.

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Working here too.

No special settings, just let site javascript (without third party) and flash (flash should be whitelisted in FlashBlock for this site or disabled to let it run).

For my old computer, context menu, as it is a high CPU consuming site/Flash, hangs for a while, but I don't need to force close K-meleon, just wait clicking in other area of the site.

I forgot to mention 75.0



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Now it seems like there must be some sort of regional routing problem preventing the site from loading properly.

A quite probable scenario. Besides IMHO "cloudflare" isn't a reliable routing service.

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foliator
Now it seems like there must be some sort of regional routing problem preventing the site from loading properly.

A quite probable scenario. Besides IMHO "cloudflare" isn't a reliable routing service.

True! Entering EarthCam's URL in Nir Sofer's CountryTraceRoute program brings up several timeout errors along the route.

I used to maintain a page on a WordPress blog hosted by CloudFlare, and there were frequent outages.

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Gerry

On second thought, I doubt whether the routing is the problem, because EarthCam's videos play here in TheWorld and in Iron, which are both Chrome-based browsers. I brought up the context menu in the video window and the usual information and settings for Flash were not there, so what I suspected was that EarthCam had stopped using Flash and had switched over to HTML5. I tested that by removing the Flash plugins from all three browsers, and the videos played in both of the Chrome clones. K-Meleon, on the other hand, displayed the current video only as a still image.

I have HTML5 video fully enabled in KM and it works on other sites; JavaScript is enabled as well. Looking through everything I could find in about:config relating to media, I don't see any settings that would improve support for HTML5.

Ideas, anyone?

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Earthcam.com works for me in all KMs from 74 to 76.

But HDcams aren't shown saying my internet connection is insufficient (60 Mbit/s insufficient?) or just stopping with black screen of player...

UPD.: it shows HD in more popular and modern browsers like later Firefoxes or Chromes.

And in ALL my outdated browsers HD isn't shown at all or shows initial stopframe and the 'insufficient connection' warning...

» TW6 (even hacked with newest useragent) shows warning.
» TW7 shows HD cams well.
» Firefox 38 (as well as KM 76) shows black screen on HD
» Firefox 45 - shows HD fine
» PaleMoon 27 - HD fine
» SeaMonkey 2.46 - HD fine
» Qupzilla 2.0.2 (QtWebEngine 5.6.2) - shows warning
» Qupzilla 2.1.2 (QtWebEngine 5.8.0) - shows warning
» Otter 0.9.12 (QtWebkit 601) - black screen with loading icon
...



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It's a real nuisance to keep upgrading browsers just because some websites make them incompatible, when most websites can still be loaded properly.

As for TW7, I tried installing it on my friend's computer. It worked very well at first, but for some unknown reason, it stopped working after a couple of sessions. The browser would open, but would not recognize any URLs, including the one for the home page and the bookmarked URLs. All we got was a blank white screen. Even the chrome:// URLs that bring up the various settings dialogues wouldn't work.

BTW, how did you manage to spoof a user agent in TW6?

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Gerry

If it works with other browsers, routing definitively can't be the problem. Sorry, I've overlooked in your first post that it works with other browsers.
I've retested with KM 75.1, KM 76RC2 and FirefoxESR 45.8.0.
All of them are working fine but only with Flash. If I disable Flash none of them are working.
So K-Meleon should work for you with Flash enabled. As for HTML5, "earthcam.com" made its code to work only with Chrome based browsers, trying to force other browsers to adapt their code to Google.
It looks like and old dream of a Three Letter Agency will realize soon: One code for all browsers to rule them all.

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BTW, how did you manage to spoof a user agent in TW6?

This was made by one of russian comrades who hacked the exe itself AFAIK.

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BTW, how did you manage to spoof a user agent in TW6?

This was made by one of russian comrades who hacked the exe itself AFAIK.

That's something I'd never attempt myself, because I know nothing about programming. BTW, there is one difference I noticed between TW6 and TW7: TW6 doesn't remember the zoom factors for regularly visited sites, whereas TW7 does. It's a feature I like, because otherwise I have to keep zooming a lot of sites that use too small a font. Setting a minimum font doesn't work too well, because it often breaks the layout of tables, causing some of the text to overlap adjacent text.

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If it works with other browsers, routing definitively can't be the problem. Sorry, I've overlooked in your first post that it works with other browsers.
I've retested with KM 75.1, KM 76RC2 and FirefoxESR 45.8.0.
All of them are working fine but only with Flash. If I disable Flash none of them are working.
So K-Meleon should work for you with Flash enabled. As for HTML5, "earthcam.com" made its code to work only with Chrome based browsers, trying to force other browsers to adapt their code to Google.
It looks like and old dream of a Three Letter Agency will realize soon: One code for all browsers to rule them all.

Well, my friend and I can't get those streams to work on either of our computers in KM 75 with or without Flash. The fact that you can was why I thought of a possible routing problem. Nevertheless, since we can play those streams on Chrome-based browsers, I guess you're right about EarthCam's web design.

Now, just wait until some clever company develops a brand-new, independently developed non-Chrome browser and popularizes it with all the web designers out there. Then those sites won't work in Chrome, either, and we'll all have to install that new browser. :mad:

You know, the internet was a wonderful discovery for me when I first started using it back in 1994, but now the commercialism and the security issues -- not to mention the anger and hatred expressed on social networks and constantly quoted by the news media -- are really spoiling the web.

[end of rant ]

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You are on Win7. So am I. I can't see any reason why "earthcam.com" would work (with Flash plugin enabled) for me and other people but not for you and your friend.
Only thing I can think of are some settings at your end hindering the execution of the plugin or that of scripting.
Therefore you could try testing with a new profile and with no addons/extensions - preferable with a new portable install of KM.
"Block Flash" must not be activated and the Flash plugin must be set to "Always Activate" in "about:addons".

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Now, just wait until some clever company develops a brand-new, independently developed non-Chrome browser and popularizes it with all the web designers out there. Then those sites won't work in Chrome, either, and we'll all have to install that new browser. :mad:

It won't happen anytime soon.
That company would need to invest lots of billions of $$$, would need to be also a content/service provider with millions of customers/users worldwide and would need to have an important saying in the industry.

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Yogi
You are on Win7. So am I. I can't see any reason why "earthcam.com" would work (with Flash plugin enabled) for me and other people but not for you and your friend.
Only thing I can think of are some settings at your end hindering the execution of the plugin or that of scripting.
Therefore you could try testing with a new profile and with no addons/extensions - preferable with a new portable install of KM.
"Block Flash" must not be activated and the Flash plugin must be set to "Always Activate" in "about:addons".

Those settings were already correct. I never block Flash (except for temporarily killing Flash objects on some sites), and the plugin is set to "Always Activate". Besides, Flash works normally on all other Flash-based sites that I visit. Flash is the only plugin installed here. As for extensions, I have only the macro-based Flash video downloader that was posted by Rodocop. I'll try disabling that on my computer; my friend's installation doesn't have it, anyway.

Update: I tried disabling the extension, but it made no difference. Then I created a brand-new portable profile (my original one is portable, as well), but that didn't help, either. K-Meleon has no problems with any of my other sites, so it looks like I'll just have to use my alternate browser for EarthCam.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/14/2017 04:33PM by foliator.

I think I found the misunderstanding.

You mean in pages like here, for example, where, I guess, you can control the webcam, or something:
http://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar

And we all meant the front page, were all videos can be seen:
http://www.earthcam.com/



In the specific page for each webcam, true, it is a black box.


EDIT: in my opinion is the stream source, but it looks through flash, so should be played, as well as if it could be HTML5, with Windows 7 you should be able to play it too.



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I think I found the misunderstanding.

You mean in pages like here, for example, where, I guess, you can control the webcam, or something:
http://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar

And we all meant the front page, were all videos can be seen:
http://www.earthcam.com/

Hallelujah, mystery solved.
Indeed this doesn't work, neither with KM 75.1 nor with KM 76RC2 but works with FirefoxESR 45.8. No need for flash plugin.

As a side note - with my user.js where I block some intrusive settings/features it doesn't work with Firefox either.

Ah, ha! I didn't realize there had been a misunderstanding, but in my original post I suggested a sample webcam, Times Square, which is listed on the home page. I was assuming all the while that you had tested something like that.

Yes, EarthCam's home page does work in K-Meleon, but there's no streaming. There is, however, a preview image at the top of that page, and if you click on that, you're taken to "EarthCam TV", which has a streaming video that works in KM. It's running in Flash, too, so this gets more confusing all the time, because the individual webcams that you link to from the home page still don't work, and have no Flash context menus, even though they're still on EarthCam's domain. :s

Maybe the web designers haven't finished screwing up the site, and eventually "EarthCam TV" won't work, either.

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foliator,

there are at least 2 cams for Times Square at that page - usual lowres that goes to the startpage inbuilt player and HDcam, that loads its own page.

First works fine, second - doesn't.

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there are at least 2 cams for Times Square at that page - usual lowres that goes to the startpage inbuilt player and HDcam, that loads its own page.

First works fine, second - doesn't.

I guess I've always used their HD cams, so I forgot about the embedded versions on the home page. The HD cams seem to have gone over to HTML5. At any rate, they lock up KM if I click anything on that page, so once I realize the stream isn't working, I don't touch anything, but simply close the tab. Also, the embedded version on the home page is a link to the HD cam, so if you happen to click on it, it will open the non-working HD cam.

This kind of inconsistency is a perfect method for losing an audience.

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