Hi,

I don't like the IE6 very much because it's a security risk. On the other hand I am a bit disappointed that this old browser is faster on my PC than KM. I can't believe that that KM is as fast as people often say. I think this true when referring KM
to other Gecko browsers. But let's go back to IE. I took two pages for measuring
page loading time: http://www.cnn.com and cbs.com. For the first the IE is 5 sec. faster (totally 30 sec for KM) and for cbs 15sec. !!! faster (totally 60sec. for KM).

The times are measured for ISDN. I tried to speed up KM with the propositions of Fastjonny but this doesn't change anything for exemple changing settings for
nglayout.initialpaint or network max. connections, pipelining etc.). It seems that using ISDN KM works best with standard settings.
But perhaps there is another possibility to speed up page loading time i didn't know.

I observed that for loading cbs.com KM needs 15 seconds until the first texts and images are shown on the screen. The IE shows the first elements of the page after two seconds. The same I observed for cbs.com. Why KM needs so "many" time until the first elements of the page are shown ?

Salut
Norbert

Hoi,

first of all, ie6 isnt a very old browser...

maybe you want to betray us which kind of proz your pc is running+how much memory you got. I notice a hudge difference between low+high ram-systems.

On my machine km opens a site in about 1-3 secs.
firefox needs a bit more ~2-5secs

dont know about ie, but i wouldnt use it even if it would beat the 1sec barrier

hf

Hoi yo,

I use a pc with a 900 Mhz proz and 512 MB RAM. The OS is XP Home. I think these are features which are not very unusual. More interesting is my second installation of XPHome and programs on my second disk. I am not sure if the results with this installation are the same. I let you know about this.

Salut Norbert

Win98. Cable connection. I measured complete load time...not initial display. CBS finished loading on KM in about 10secs. IE about 17secs.

hi Norbert,
Athlon1000 d-sl Win ME 256 mb, k-m is almost twice as fast as MSIE 5.5 which is faster than MSIE 6 normally. A lot seems to depend on Your connection and RAM.

MSIE and FF have improved speed with more RAM. On my system they never reach k-m but are about 1/3 or more slower. But Your 512 mb probably help the wastrels

With d-sl i do not realy want things to load from cache like MSIE does.
I also heard that Gecko people work on improved cache. But i do not know exactly what they are doing. greetings from Hannover

p. s. did You also have this terrible rain in MInden?

Thanks for your comments,

today I experimented with my second XPSystem (on the second disk). I received the same results as before: IE faster than KM. But I didn't give up. I checked if IE and KM are really running under (nearly) the same conditions. The result: they don't !! For IE "active scripting" was disabled but for KM javascript was enabled. So I disabled javascript also for KM. I was very surprised to notice that KM speeds up and loads faster than IE. Furthermore I enbled "avtive scripting" for IE which slows down IE for further seconds.
So excuse me, when I am now claiming that KM is considerably faster than the IE.

I can't believe that the disabling of javascript has such an effect or is there a ghost
who change speed settings ? Perhaps somebody can explain the javascript-effect ?
Meanwhile I am sure that those settings have a bigger effect on speed than RAM or Mhz.
Please take into regards that ISDN user appreciate each speed-gain because of the slow internet connection. I think for dsl these thinks are less important.

Salut
Norbert

This is interesting because in KM it is possible to switch of Java and Javascript.
In my opinion Javascript is a must because almost every website is using Javascript. But I am curious now if it would give any difference in performance when you switch of Java and/or Javascript and why?!
As far as I know the Java and Javascript-options in KM are embedded and do not use any Java-installation outside of KM. So, when this is true, why would it give a such a big difference in performance that it is noticable??

Jan.

Hi jan,

I checked my results several times. It's always the same: A page which needs 70 seconds with javascript for loading needs 20 seconds !!!! more when javascript is enabled. On the other hand it doesn't make a difference if java is enabled or not.
I am sorry, I can't explain this; I am not an expert in this matter.

These results I received with an ISDN internet-connection. Further "tests" showed that for my pc the proposals for speed up pageloading by changing browser settings
doesn't make any effect. On the contrary, sometimes they slow down speed. That's why I have to advice against changing the standard settings when ISDN is the internet
connection.

You wrote that a lot of pages need javascript. May be, I can well manage surfing without javascript. If I really need it I can fast switch on javascript with the help of a liitle macro that is called "privacy-bar" which offers a button in the main window for activating or deactivating javascript. For me really annoying is that sometimes KM reloads pages which were already opened before although the option "never" is activated for the comparing of cache data with the internet data. So KM doesn't seem to have cached in anything. I know that there are pages which couldn't be cached in but why the IE often has no problem to cache in these pages ?

Salut
Norbert

Good question Norbert, I really don't know.
I have seen the same on some websites and therefor I tried the different settings never, automatic, once per session etc... but it didn't help. I am using once per session now, this seems to be the fast solution for me without missing new data.

About javascript, I have my own websites ( http://www.hayabusaclubholland.nl, http://www.fastsjonny.tk and http://www.lontronics.nl ) and am visiting some other websites/ forums daily. My websites are using a javascript dropdown-menu and till now I didn't find another fine solution for that. Other websites are using javascript for showing a scrolling message-field, pictures etc...
These are all things which will not working without...

This is why I have javascript enabled and java not. When I have another menu-solution I would defenately switch it off. For me it would be nice because then I had a really cross-browser solution for my website...

But, on the other hand, I really don't understand why javascript is slowing down things so much. I have tried and you are right. I didn't measure the loadingtime but it feels faster without javascript.
That is why I asked what the reason is for that, especially for KM, what has the java and javascript integrated (isn't it?!?)

About speedsettings, that can be. I am not the expert on that but I have tried a lot of different settings in the last months. Some settings are slowing down the connection and some not. I think you are right when you say it depends on the connection you have (dsl, isdn etc...).
It would be nice if there where speedsettings for all kind of connections tested and available as a file (user.pref??). But that is the same for more settings, plugins etc.. I really think a lot of people who start with KM are dissapointed because it is to difficult for them to let it work the way they want.
On the other hand, I like it that way. It is one of the safest, fastest and most configurable browsers available ;-))))

Jan.

Nothing to do with the subject---but nice homepage Jan!

Eyes-Only
"L'Peau-Rouge"
http://eyesonly.no-ip.info/jimmymac/

Hmm, I really don't understand why these links are not translated right but I 'll try it again:

http://www.hayabusaclubholland.nl

http://www.fastsjonny.tk

http://www.lontronics.nl

Just to show the menu ofcourse ;-))))

Hi Jan,

thanks for your answer. I think it's a good idea to publish some recommendations to speed up pageloading. You wrote that people are sometimes disappointed concerning speed. I would agree when people find out that at least for ISDN KM is not as fast as IE. I already wrote that it is possible to reach with KM the same speed as the IE and sometimes KM is faster.
I made the comparison with IE because imo it's the fastest browser for ISDN. I know there are a lot of people who won't agree but a lot of measures over a long time have shown this. I explained the reason for this some days ago. On the other hand for me KM is the fastest browser of all other browsers. This is a statement
I can't reliably prove but I didn't succeed in reaching the same page loading time with opera, mozilla or firebird as with the IE. With KM it's possible, so I have no lost of speed but a big gain of security.

I think it's a good idea to collect settings which could speed up furthermore KM . For the browser settings I recommanded the standard settings. For this I found perhaps two exceptions. I will tell you about this and other changes when I have experimented a bit more with them.

Salut
Norbert

IMPORTANT:

The speed of K-Meleon mainly depends on your wishes. You can make KM render instantly and after finishing the download (that's the default) by editing your prefs. I think the IE renders instantly, if you don't change the options

Hi christian,

sorry, my englisch is limited, so I am not sure if I understand you well. Does it mean that with KM I can fix when the browser shows the first elements of a downloaded page (at once with the beginning of download or later ). If this is right, could you specify how I can change the rendering options ?

Salut
Norbert

AFAIK user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

Hi guenter,

thx for answer. As I posted already the browser settings which fastjonny proposed don't give any speed gain for ISDN. For setting

user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

For the used pages I can't notice any change from standard behavior. That means at least that there is no speed increase in page loading.

I f you want improve page loading timefor ISDN I recommand the following:

deactivate javascript
Cache comparison "once per session" or "never"
I am not completely sure but it seems that

network.http.redirection-limit 5
network.http.request.max-start-delay 0

improve speed.

That's all. The following changes don't have any effect on my pc or slow down pageloading.

/* ENABLE IMPROVED PIPELINING */
user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);
user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);
user_pref("network.http.pipelining.firstrequest", true);
user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100);

/* INCREASE MULTI-THREADED DOWNLOAD PERFORMANCE */
user_pref("network.http.max-connections", 60);
user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 32);
user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy", 16);
user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 8);

/* REMOVE PAINT DELAY WHEN LOADING */
user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0); /* Default is 250 */

/* TURN OFF KEEP ALIVE */
user_pref("network.http.keep-alive", false);
user_pref("network.http.proxy.keep-alive", false);
/* TURN OFF DISK CACHE */
user_pref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0);
user_pref("browser.cache.memory.capacity", 102400);

user_pref("network.dir.format", 3);
user_pref("network.prefetch-next", false);

user_pref("network.http.keep-alive.timeout", 10);
user_pref("network.dnsCacheExpiration", 360);
user_pref("network.dnsCacheEntries", 100);

I don't have checked the following settings :

user_pref("browser.cache.check_doc_frequency", 0);
user_pref("network.http.connect.timeout", 30);
user_pref("network.protocol-handler.external.mms", true);
user_pref("network.image.imageBehavior", 0);
user_pref("general.smoothScroll", false)

For this I have no clear result:

user_pref("network.http.keep-alive", false);
user_pref("network.http.proxy.keep-alive", false);

Salut
Norbert

Hi,

so just to finish, I checked the settings I posted yesterday. Here are the results:

user_pref("browser.cache.check_doc_frequency", 0);

>corresponds to "cache comparison = never" . This setting seems to be as good as "once per session"

user_pref("network.image.imageBehavior", 0);
> standard setting

The rest has no effect on page loading time or slows down.

Are there any other settings which I didn't mention and which could speed up page loading ?

Salut
Norbert

I think the issue isn't Javascript but Java on those pages. K-Meleon will often take longer to load a page with a Java applet than IE because MS Java Virtual Machine is integrated with IE where as K-Meleon relies on the separate JRE from Sun. The delay in loading the Sun JRE is where you see the delay on those sites.