First, this is tangentially related to k-meleon .. at best. If you are a purist, move on now. Before you leave, feel free to call me a bad human.

K-meleon is fun. Have been playing with it for a bit, and especially with the .7 release it could very well be my new browser. (I am a bit of a Yahoo! addict and need the games support .. having chat support would be a perk).

That said, as I understand it, K-meleon removed the "weight" of mozilla. Bravo, I still have Netscape4 on my system precisely cause the new ones were so bloated IE ran faster.

But here is where it gets wierd ...

I am the freak who browses in IE (soon KM) but still reads mail in Netscape Messenger 4.78. Why? Simply put I have very easy email requirements. (Not to be confused with light message load ... ) I want something that comes as close the MH I love so much on unix. Messenger fits the bill. I don't want fancy filtering, I just want to send/receive/file my email over IMAP with a dirt simple and clean UI. The two things I want a new client to do are profiles (I need to send mail from 2 different identities and restarting Messenger blows) and be lighter weight.

All this introduction leads to the question:

"What mail client do you use under Windows? (include url and shareware/freeware/$ware)"

I figure the answers on this forum are useful as the folks here have actively sought out a replacment to a widely-used piece of software for a specific reason (which varies by person). This means they are explorers.

I force the question into windows land, because if I had my druthers, I would run MH all day long, but alas it is not to be.

Thanks,

bex

1. Eudora - Powerful, can use the SMTP AUTH command which some mail servers require. Choose between adware, $-ware, and stripped-down-ware.
2. Mail Warrior - Small, yet very good (although I can't view some HTML mails). Freeware, but the author expects you to register (and pay).
3. I've heard some people mention The Bat!, which I haven't used.

I'd recommend the second one.

Mailwarrior, AFAIK, doesn't use standard unix mailbox format? I'm not sure about Eudora, tho'.

I used NS4 mail up to last year but switched to Mozilla mail for two reasons - way better charset support, better filtering and multiple pop3 mbx support. Unless there is another mail-only app out there which gives me multiple pop3 AND uses standard unix mbx format, I'll stick with Moz. If anyone knows another mailer matching these requirements (pop3 ssl/tls support, of course), let me know.

Nowadays I use Moz for mail/news and KM for browsing.

Pimmy, small and simple but good enough for me.
http://www.geminisoft.com/pimmy.eng/frameset.htm

I use Calypso http://10xshooters.com/calypso-free/ It's free and has SMPT AUTH which my email requires plus it has a dialer that works (for my wife) and and your can have multiple accounts on it. I't tried a lot of other clients, but none of them (free) has all those features.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet, however...
Pegasus Mail, should have all the features you need, plus it's freeware. What's more, v4.02 has just been released.

http://download.com.com/3000-2367-9692109.html?tag=lst-0-1

FoxMail, great email client! Homepage is only in chinese, but the client is available in english.. only 2.2MB, test it out

Popcorn has halted development, but I defy you to find a smaller, more feature-packed client, that's also free.

http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn/

I am still a phan of Phoenix - http://fox.hispeed.com/phoenix/us_home.shtml - which is pretty basic, and when I want to fancy up with html I use Fox - http://fox.foxmail.com.cn/english.htm
My favorite checker is Mailwasher - http://www.mailwasher.com/
Popcorn gets my vote too, tho I'm not using it right now.
I have tried Pegasus twice, and the second time, I kicked it out because it opened an attachment that I was trying to delete. :p

"I am still a phan of Phoenix - http://fox.hispeed.com/phoenix/us_home.shtml"

Now there's an open source program with *very* slow development- I believe the author only puts out a update to the current beta once every six or twelve months or so. You wouldn't want to recommend it to those who are impatient about K-Meleon's development ;-)

Of course having said that, there is a "spin-off" mail program based on the Phoenix Mail sourcecode called "RoundAbout":
http://roundabout.sourceforge.net/
May prove to be an interesting program development.

Hey there,

this is the one
http://sourceforge.net/projects/claws-w32/

Sylpheed is fast, simple, with GPG-support and its Open Source.
There are two branches, the normal Sylpheed and the Claws branch, which is under rapid development with some cool features, but therefore sometimes has problems with stability. Look at Sourceforge.net for "sylpheed w32" or "sylpheed claws w32".

With regards
Uwe

I've been using Pegasus for years and am pretty satisfied. The first thing I did when I got version 4, though, was turn off the preview pane. I don't know what David was thinking when he made it active as the default -- maybe he wanted it to look more familiar to Outlook refugees?

umm... didja ever notice how much k-meleon looks like a certain other popular browser by default? don't knock the preview pane - that's the only thing that made it possible to migrate several folks i know to pegasus...

oh... yeah... the question... umm, well, if you're bent on IMAP, the most minimal client i've heard of in that arena is i.scribe <http://www.memecode.com/>, but i don't use it, so i can't really comment on it beyond that...

Slypheed suffers from the same flaw as most win32 gtk+ programs nowadays - it uses illegibly small font for its interface, at least on those systems that I've tried. Which, in turn, makes gtk programs unusable on windows. Unfortunately.

Try Becky! http://www.rimarts.co.jp, shareware, Love it.

Here is a bit of an update/comment.

Strange as it sounds, I found the email client I want ... unfortunetly it is the one we removed!!!! I had never played with Mozilla as NS6 ran like a cow. On the urging of a friend I d/l'ed Mozilla (mainly to shut her up). The whole deal runs like a cow, as expected (hence the need for the great K-meleon!). However, the mail/news client rocks. It does 90% of what I want in a mail client. The 10% that is missing is either minutely picky stuff or something no one seems to do (rules based on whether a sender/receiver is in or not in an/the address book).

So it would seem I am back to stage 1, in a different sense. I now run IE (am awaiting a newer KM that has better yahoo support) and the mozilla (instead of NS4) mail client.

Someone is thinking like we do however, as project Minotaur has been proposed to build Mozilla without the browser (email/news only). I will be interested to see where that goes.

"But bex, why didn't you just use some of the lovely programs we proposed?", I hear you saying.

Frankly, 99% of them suffered from one of two problems:

A - They were missing something which I considered important

B - They look like circa 1980's shareware.

Having grown up on the R&D/Programming side, and being a big text bigot, I know how interface is secondary arguments go. Well reality does occasionally kick in and I am forced to admit that a presentation is a big part of life. Just as a deflated souffle is perceived as tasting worst than an inflated one, a bad UI will kill a good mailer.

The upside of it all is that it sounds like mailers are going to continue to evolve. I just hope that some folks will learn from the KM example and utilize a UI that mimics the market leaders, with optional extensions, as opposed to forcing yet another paradigm on us. This is not to say that the market leaders have it right, simply to say that if it looks more like what we are used to, the easier it is to sell. (Ala the trash folder that most IMAP mailers will support)

Comments, other than rotten eggs in my direction?

bex

Commenting on your waiting. KM will proabably not have better "yahoo support" in the future. KM will have same support level for various standards as Mozilla. If Yahoo (whichever part of it) doesn't work for you in Mozilla 1.x it will not work in KM either.

Brian Exelbierd mentioned a proposed Minotaur project - making the e-mail/news client out of Mozilla stand alone. Is this going anywhere? Any webpage?

> whether a sender/receiver is in or not in an/the address book

I believe The Bat! does this, and is a rather nice client, but not my favorite.

The mail.yahoo.com site works fine with K-M (requires JavaScript now though for the new GUI design). My fave mail client is "K-M with a web-based mail program".

Couple of notes:

1 - Minotaur is at:

http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/minotaur/

Email to the owner has not been returned, as of yet.

2 - The Yahoo! functionality I was referring to is in their games. I believe I saw in this forum that the support is in the new KM betas.

If The Bat! has that functionality, that is awesome, I just didn't care for it either when I tried it.

bex

> If The Bat! has that functionality, that is awesome,
> I just didn't care for it either when I tried it.

it's as bad an IMAP client as it is good for POP, unfortunately.

but for deep configurability, you can't beat it...

Foxmail!!!
http://fox.foxmail.com.cn/english.htm

re: "spin-off" mail program based on the Phoenix Mail sourcecode called "RoundAbout
Hmmm, I tried it today. Looks great, just enough more to it that it could be all I'd need... except that I can't get it to send any mail 8o
I had to drag my letter over to the old Phoenix to send. Couldn't get text to decent size either. Maybe in another couple of revisions