"That however is still not a valid reason to make up things that are not true."
Come on, now. I don't think anyone deliberatley 'made up' anything. Maybe they worded something wrong or made statements based on old info that is now void, but looking through this thread I see no one attempting to out and out lie to anyone.
Let's examine for a moment what Andrew said with a bit more of an open mind:
"* You can fully customize the K-Meleon interface adding and removing any menu or menu items that you like. You can't do that with Phoenix. That's important to those of us who need to support a browser in a public setting."
This is actually true. I fully understand that if one unpacks some jar files and digs deep into whatever, that one can add/remove menu items and such in Phoenix or Mozilla. That is not the same thing, however, as how it's done in KMeleon. In KMeleon it is obvious and available to the user via the UI. How many people can get a Mozilla build and add a button to their toolbar that will launch their favorite mail app? Not many, that is for sure.
I have used Mozilla on and off for years now. Never, I have rearranged the UI to my liking of my own accord. I have only used KMeleon for about 10 days now... after three days of use I had the entire default UI completely customized.
In the context of what Andrew was saying, he is absolutely correct.
"* K-Meleon's interface is native to Windows which allows it to run more efficiently than Phoenix's cross-platform XUL interface."
This is correct.
"* Phoenix can be a memory-hog. K-Meleon consistently outperforms Phoenix, Mozilla and IE on older and slower PCs."
This is correct.
"* K-Meleon encourages user participation in the development of the browser. Phoenix does not."
I think what Andrew meant here was getting involved with the source code. That may have changed now but I do know at one time that the development of Phoenix was restricted to Hyatt, Ross, etc... just a few people. I remember even reading it myself once.
If they have indeed changed that policy (did they?) and Phoenix is now open for other folks to submit patches then that is just an honest and understandable mistake by Andrew.
"* K-Meleon supports Opera Hotlists. Phoenix does not."
This is correct.
So, of what Andrew said there was only one real error... if that is the case.... and it was an honest mistake at that. Not some blatant pre-calculated lie.
I certainly wouldn't define what Andrew said as "huge flaws in the arguments of benefits of K-Mel vs Pnx." like you did.
Now lets look at Ammars statements:
" - the phoenix interface is bulky.. especially if you're using tabs. big buttons big graphics and somehow the interface feels 'heavy'."
He is correct. He didn't say that the 'big buttons' could be made smaller... was he supposed to? The main point was the UI is bulky and feels heavy.
"- lotsa menus lotsa features.. those that i dont even need (but ofcourse, maybe someone else does)"
This is not true. An error was made here. Unlike Mozilla, Phoenix is very trimmed down UI wise. I certainly wouldn't look upon 'lotsa menus lotsa features' as a bash against Phoenix, though.
"- i can use kmeleon as my default browser, it loads up in 1/10th the time of phoenix"
This is correct. I don't know the exact time but I do know that K-Meleon loads far faster than Phoenix on my system.
"- its lite and functional.. took me a few mins to set up the interface my way.. with macros for functions this n that, and its perfect.. i dont see myself doing that with phoenix."
That is correct, too. Ammar setup his own UI schema in K-Meleon in a matter of minutes using macros for 'this n that'. I don't see him, or anyone else, being able to customize their UI like that, especially with new functions and what not, in a matter of minutes in Phoenix, if at all.
So Ammars big error here was: "lotsa menus lotsa features"
In summary:
Andrews honest mistake (if it is a mistake):
"K-Meleon encourages user participation in the development of the browser. Phoenix does not."
and Ammars "lotsa menus lotsa features"
..somehow bring you to the conclusion that a Phoenix FUD campaign is taking place by people "making things up out of the blue"?
Do you want to know what I think? I think you are blowing things way out of proportion. The problem is that you are probably a Phoenix user more than anything else. A Phoenix user hanging out in a K-Meleon forum that gets very defensive about anything regarding Phoenix (or even XUL).... while at the same time trying to advocate it in a very subtle way.
If you want to find a place full of erroneous statements that are made on a near daily basis then visit the forums at Mozillazine. I would never waste my time trying to correct any of that, though, because I don't really give a rip.
-Alan
kmeleon32@yahoo.com