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K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: Ismo
Date: January 10, 2003 10:33PM

For some odd reason I have been using these K-Meleon
forums quite a lot lately. It is a pity that the K-Meleon history
list is full of K-Meleon hits..The same with bookmarks!

When I save topics the browser suggests the page title -
which is fine. The problem is that it is all the time the
same K-Meleon. When I save these pages I select
the topic (subject text) area, copy it and paste it into
the filename box. Obviously these pages are somehow
dynamically created. I suggest (that's the easy part ;-)
that at least the forum name should be part of the page title.
Even better if it could also include the topic/subject name,
maybe those illegal filename characters : ? * etc. could
be automatically filtered out. That would save time when
we save these messages. I know that we live in an imperfect
world and I don't know how difficult it is to change this.
I think that change would save quite a lot of time (well, at
least my time, probably not the web master's).

By the way, when you click the splif link which is in the
end of this page (copyright section) the page
looks quite "interesting". Is it just me or my browser ;-)

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Re: K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: Arual the Wyrd
Date: January 11, 2003 02:10AM

Quite so, and it would make it easier to save pages and eat popcorn at the same time too (pardon my bad habits).
re: splif - Interesting? I'd say enchanting :-)

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Re: K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: Ismo
Date: January 11, 2003 10:56AM

I know that it is easy to make improvement requests.
Especially if you don't have to implement them yourself.
I feel quite dirty and nauseous when I make these kind of improvement
suggestions (no - let's say demands).

However, this has really bugged me during the last weeks.
Perhaps I should file a bug report? This might seem to be
a minor usability issue, but even small improvements
there could tremendously improve your browsing experience! ;-)

I envy you. I haven't yet learned to eat my PopUpCorn and
save at the same time - especially as I have to select, copy and
paste text topics too!

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Re: K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: asmpgmr
Date: January 11, 2003 02:49PM

There is already a bug filed for this, actually the issue is that the save function uses the page title for the filename instead of the filename component of the URL. The save link as function works as expected.

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Re: K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: Ismo
Date: January 11, 2003 08:55PM

I understand that. My criticism wasn't against K-Meleon as a program.
I just wanted that the K-Meleon forum web pages should have meaningful
titles to ease bookmarking and saving. Besides, if i try to save the topic
as link from the parent page (forum topics list) I don't expect every
link to be saved as read.php.

I understand that the web server (or whatever dynamic programming
magic there is behind to create these forum pages) just hasn't been
customised enough to generate more meaningful tile and link names. It is
not K-Meleon's fault as a program.

That's why i posted here, the general forum, not development, bugs
or improvement, because those other forums deal with K-Meleon as a
program.

It is an interesting question which one should be the default save as
filename: the title or the web page's filename. It depends on the situation.
I hope that the user could choose. Maybe Ctrl-S to save with filename and
Ctrl-Shift-S to save with title name. Anyhow, both options should be
somehow available. There is a global variable for the page address ($URL).
There isn't any for the page title. Maybe $TITLE could be used for that ;-)
I know that there is a javascript way to address that, but a global
macro variable would be useful.

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Re: K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: Hugo
Date: January 12, 2003 12:04AM

...I know that there is a javascript way to address that...
And even if so, it's not so easy to get a JavaScript to save files for you.
It doesn't (per defaualt anyway) have access to your local filesystem.

One thing in this context that I would find useful is to be able to return
a string from a JavaScript to a macro..
$my_macro_string=open("javascript: myjsfunction(){return "Hi!"} myjsfunction();");
or something that alike. (Probably totally unimplementable).

As for filenames, imo (the filename component of the) url is a more
natural choice than the page title. Filenames should (again imho)
only contain charachters that are allowed in urls, for transferability
reasons.

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Re: K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: asmpgmr
Date: January 12, 2003 12:58AM

The save as should use the page filename as the default filename, this is consistent with other browsers including Netscape Communicator and Mozilla. This is how save link as currently working in K-Meleon, I'm not sure why they chose to implement save as differently and use the page title (perhaps to save an entire page contents ?) but it really doesn't work as expected compared to other browsers. Now this wouldn't help with your forum name issue since the filename would then be read.php, the subject is a function of the forum.

I already have a RFE opened for adding a global $TITLE variable for macros.

As for Hugo's request, interesting but open is general macro function to open a URL which except in the case of javascript: doesn't return anything. You could of course open a RFE for this. Out of curiosity, what would you do after an open ? Usually open (or opennew or openbg) is the last thing done in macro.

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Re: K-Meleon Forum page titles
Posted by: Arual the Wyrd
Date: January 17, 2003 01:59PM

Funny story of the day:
I got reminded of this thread today in a big way (as in big name!). Last night I saved a link to Favorites. This morning I was trying to make a Faves backup, and got a can't-move-file bitchmessage because of the length of the name. I couldn't rename it either! After opening it in notepad and saving it with a short name, I had to shred the original because I wasn't allowed to delete it!!.
It was, of course, a Microsoft page...ROFL

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