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felipe
I think that Kmeleon 1.1a2 Gecko 1.8.1 is a great fiasco for W2000 es-ES users.

I didn't say a whole fiasco, only a fiasco for w2000 es-ES users only .
The only thing I want to say is where are the fu**** multilingual package for KMeleon? Where? BabelZilla.org has more linguistic resources than no site in the Net. OK, let's go to use Gecko engine, and let's forget languages packs.
Like doing a baby, if there is no success, there is no results.
Greetings.
XD

I agree with Carson that the word "fiasco" is a bit exaggerated, but I do not understand what felipe is referring to when he uses this in relation to Win2000. If this is in reference to Kmeleon 1.1a2 Gecko 1.8.1 not being able to be installed on the Win2000 operating system, that is not true. I am using Kmeleon 1.1a2 Gecko 1.8.1 on a Win2000 system to post this message.

To marcopolo - the firewall, anti-virus, anti-spamware, all affect the speed of a browser online. Each "tests" the transmission, and while infinitesimal by human time, can and do affect the speed. Just as important is the number of nodes one has to connect through to get to a destination can also speed up or slow down a browser. A request from a site may travel through a number of nodes. In general, the greater the number to reach the site, the slower. Having said that, some nodes will be faster or slower in addition to the number the transmission comes through.

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terry
I agree with Carson that the word "fiasco" is a bit exaggerated, but I do not understand what felipe is referring to when he uses this in relation to Win2000. If this is in reference to Kmeleon 1.1a2 Gecko 1.8.1 not being able to be installed on the Win2000 operating system, that is not true. I am using Kmeleon 1.1a2 Gecko 1.8.1 on a Win2000 system to post this message.

Please read the topic about the release of meleon 1.1a2 Gecko 1.8.1. I've the same problems that Marcopolo and Desga2 with the es-Es version of Windows 2000. Are you using the english version of Windows 2000 or the spanish version?
Only one more question, if this new KM release worked in spanish windows 2000, and not in english windows 2000, do you consider it a fiasco? OK, come on!

Perhaps it's not a fiasco, but when you can test a piece of software, that's the beginning of real fiasco...

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none_inside
Perhaps it's not a fiasco, but when you can test a piece of software, that's the beginning of real fiasco...

The real question is that I CAN NOT TEST the new KM release in my windows 2000 es-ES version, and other versions of windows 2000 can test it. For me is a fiasco because I CAN'T TEST IT on spanish windows 2000 nor Marcopolo & Desga2.

Sorry, felipe. I am using the English Win2000 not the Spanish. I understand your frustration. Again, apologies.

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terry
Sorry, felipe. I am using the English Win2000 not the Spanish. I understand your frustration. Again, apologies.

Sorry, Terry. I have made several experiments and have no success. Greetings to you. Have a nice day, and sorry for my tone. I'll came back tomorrow with better aim.

felipe, in thinking about this (and you probably have already thought of it yourself) there are two possibilities. 1) Is it possible to set your W2K machine to local language English and try to install? 2) In the install procedure there seems to be a checksum operating - in English the separator usually is a comma (,) whereas in Spanish the separator ususally is a period (.) - so I wander if you change the text or field separator to a comma, if this will help with the install?

. . .And another difference between the Spanish and English version is in ourselves and the way we say things. Felipe, I am just at the very beginning of learning Spanish. You are bilingual!

And the word fiasco must be Spanish. We've stolen a warez version (! joking) into the English language, in which we don't use it to mean simply a collapse. You are right and we are wrong, but in English it usually means a collapse associated with bad faith, as in a scandal or rip-off—something disgraceful—so it would be insulting to Dorian's good work. But you did not mean it that way. K-Meleon is an excellent place for sharing all our different languages.

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Carson
. . .And another difference between the Spanish and English version is in ourselves and the way we say things. Felipe, I am just at the very beginning of learning Spanish. You are bilingual!

And the word fiasco must be Spanish. We've stolen a warez version (! joking) into the English language, in which we don't use it to mean simply a collapse. You are right and we are wrong, but in English it usually means a collapse associated with bad faith, as in a scandal or rip-off—something disgraceful—so it would be insulting to Dorian's good work. But you did not mean it that way. K-Meleon is an excellent place for sharing all our different languages.

Who do you think I am, boy?
"Fiasco" is used by everybody in english and not only in the way you suggest!
Read this, for example:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/07/bush.corporations/index.html
http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2004/07/cnns_balloon_br.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/08/22/russia.suffering/index.html
Come back to school, guy! = Is this an insult?
Do you think I try to insulting Dorian, in his "home"? Do you think I'm idiot?
Have you drunk? First, boy, I can say what I want, I'm a KM user, not a developer, and if I can't use KM, I can say it's a fiasco or a great failure if I want. Have I to suck developer's ass to make you happy and to avoid problems?
Forget me in that way, Carson, please...

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carson
And the word fiasco must be Spanish

Is George W. Bush spanish?
XD

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felipe
Is George W. Bush spanish?
XD

OK Felipe, that's the real FIASCO!!!
XD

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carson
And the word fiasco must be Spanish.

Racist comments should not to be allowed here.

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carson
And another difference between the Spanish and English version is in ourselves and the way we say thing

XD
Sorry, but I can't stop laughting!
It seems you have several prejudices, and also you seem to have been influenced by stereotyped politics of your country about non-english people.
Have a nice day.
XD

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carson
And the word fiasco must be Spanish.

Racist comments should not to be allowed here.

I think the same. It sounds racist. I get out from this forum now.

Silly to leave - these comments are Anglo jokes that fail to go cross language barriar. They are not racialist or nationalist.

btw. ;-) The English version is just the dev version anyway.
The es-ES, fr-FR, de-AT ... are the versions that matter ... :-)

Why: probably more users with other mother languages. greetings guenter

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guenter
They are not racialist or nationalist.

I agree with marcopolo, felipe and none_inside. The post by carson is innapropiate.
"Prejudice and discrimination are negative manifestations of integrative power."
http://www.colorado.edu/conflict/peace/problem/prejdisc.htm

felipe/marcopolo/none_inside or whatever his name is banned (or nearly, just to be sure he's really leaving)

I'm not really sure that banning people is the best way to enhance a forum, but what it's true is that we have had more harsh and aggressive talk here in the last week since the arrival of Felipe/marcopolo/... than in the last 3 years.

This way of talking could be accepted if it does not go too far, but what is IMHO unnaceptable is registering under different names (I suppose you all have noticed that Felipe, Marcopolo, none_inside, et al have the same IP adress, so they're most probably the same person) to create the false feeling that more people supports what he says.

This thing about saying "I'm leaving the forum!" and registering under other name just to say "I will leave the forum too!" is IMHO naughty and by no way acceptable, so I must agree and support completely Dorian's decision.

Finally, I would like to say that I'm spanish (and proud to be spanish). I must admit they were some kind unfortunate, but I have not feel offended by Carson's words at all, it's just that I've not understood completely (maybe because it was not clear enough) what he was talking about or refering, but I heavily suspect he was suggesting that the sound of the word "fiasco" sounds like having an spanish\italian\portuguese origin, just like for example the word "spaghetti".

We all should note that being an international community means also that we are more vulnerable to misunderstandings and we should try to avoid them at any cost.

>felipe/marcopolo/none_inside or whatever his name is banned<
I surprise you let this BS go for so long.
You could see that hes a troll from the first post.
Im not a Carson fan, but you all should be ashamed of yourself to let that fuck treat him that way.

Yikes. Well, for those who have survived this far and are interested in etymology, I did find the following. I'm taking a basic Spanish class, so I've been pretty interested lately with most things to do with the Spanish language and culture. But in fact the word fiasco seems not to be Spanish after all. Its pretty obscure, but I think this writer is close to the truth, judging from what else I found:

http://plateaupress.com.au/wfw/fiasco.htm

And now I really AM way off-topic! Sorry, guys.

fiasco (italian)- derived from old West Germanic (flaska; engl. flask) word 4 bottle. Fiasco/Fiasko means failure or related things in several languages. To be a bottle means or meant to be a some kind of failure in several languages also (Romanic and Germanic). The origin of the concept is obscured by history.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2006 06:08AM by guenter.

No words. Spain is diferent! Be Happy!