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soccerfan
As to flashblock, when activated, I cannot see the
big play button but clicking somewhere near where it
should be results in the video playing. This confirms
what disrupted reported (for your previous upload).

I tried using embed.jar from the official KM152 (after
applying the flashblock fix by Dorian/desga2) but that
made the scrollbar disappear once again and flashblock
issues remained identical to what I described above.
Hope this helps you track down and solve this issue.

1.) If Console is working for You, You will find that it is complaining about extensions and xhtml pages that use chrome files (security!).

Some faults can be show stoppers.

2.) 1.5.2 uses a 1.8 chrome and that is another version with other layouts and default locations. This is a version change to 1.9 and that causes some errors.
At my PC also "about:" and netError.xul (page does not exist...) shows faults.

p.s. Your comments and observation are helpful to me too, thx.
I work on a functional new chrome - but it's very slow progress.
We had the same problems when we moved from 1.7 to 1.8 chrome

@ JamesD

The old favorites plugin seems not to work.
The menu in default/settings would also have to
be adapted, to enable favorites.
Skins for 1.5.2 should work after adapting their
toolbars.cfg, except of the javascript button,
that would have to be added from Phoenity.

@ Guenter

The preferences work only partly in the K-Meleon-SM2-W
version, because in the new chrome I added a toolkit.jar
that took over most tasks of embed.jar. In embed.jar I
eliminated all but flashblock/mimes/kmprefs.
Kmprefs may call up parts, that are only in the deleted
parts of embed.jar. These parts should be reintegrated into
embed.jar . The part that was disturbing the k-meleon
gui was called up in embed.manifest . So I eliminated
the parts in embed.manifest that did not point to
flashblock/mimes/kmprefs to deliver a quick solution.
As this version is only thought to be a proof of concept
I am confident, that we will find the parts that are
missing before the official version will come up.
For the moment I am satisfied as it is, because
perfection can not be claimed for an experimental version.

Regards

Fred

@guenter:
Thanks for your explanations. I can understand why
this is such painstaking work (with few rewards)!

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Fred
For the moment I am satisfied as it is, because
perfection can not be claimed for an experimental version.

Regards

Fred

Thanks for a wonderful start. I'm actually enjoying your W version.

soccerfan

I have improved the chrome folder of K-Meleon-SM2 another time.
The Preferences Panel should now show all tabs correctly,
and the scrollbar should also show correctly in Windows Vista and XP,
as it already did in the former update.
Download at :

http://one.xthost.info/eichhein3/K-Meleon-SM2-W2.zip

Fred

Hi Fred, I have been running SM2-W (I thought it was W2--updaing now) for a day now in Arch Linux and and wine 1.1.13 and have some good impressions. One, is that the url bar seems to update properly--which has been a problem with Linux adaptations of K-Meleon. I am running it by opening a terminal in the SM2 folder and then using the command "wine k-meleon.exe," for whatever that might be worth.

The big news is that K-Meleon in wine in Arch just outperformed Firefox/Shiretoko 3.1b3 running natively in Arch, 7148 to 9028 on the Sunspider Javascript Benchmark. Yes, even running in wine, SM2 was faster than its "parent" Firefox 3.1b3 running natively as a linux program in Arch. The time for Epiphany on the same machine was a much slower 15929. So, at the least, wine does not seem to impose much of a speed penalty.

One thing that appears, not surprisingly I guess, is that performance decreases markedly when a second window is opened. So I keep only one open. This is a 900MHz PIII with only 256MB ram--so I guess that drawback would be less significant on more powerful machines.

I have also noted that everything seems OK with the forums--no illegible characters, etc., typing is fast, scrolling is fast. Highly complicated graphical pages slow things down--which is better with only one window open, but still not perfect. Firefox 3.1b3 even though it is slower on the benchmark, is much faster scrolling highly graphical pages. There are numerous error and warning messages being delivered at the terminal, as you know I'm sure.

Thanks for a great experiment--it says great things for K-Meleon in the future I think.



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Thank you for the good report and regards.

Fred

The valid download address for K-Meleon-SM2 can now
also be found on the page for unofficial K-Meleons at:

[http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/UKmeleon]

Fred

I have uploaded K-Meleon-SM2-W3.zip, which includes
the new chrome made by Guenter.
Download here:

http://one.xthost.info/eichhein3/K-Meleon-SM2-W3.zip

Java should work, but needs a recent Java version.

Fred

Do not thank me, I merely tried to help out.

It has many bugs, but works better for 1.9 GRE than our current GRE 1.8 based chromes. The new GRE does not support all functions used by Pref-Panel.

I thank "disrupted" for his help with finding some bugs I could fix.
For the rest we all have to wait till a bugfixed official 1.9 chrome has been made.
I cannot do that, I am no dev. This chrome is merely a prototype to start.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2009 06:31AM by guenter.

K-Meleon-SM2-W3 is smooth sailing for me so far!
Java works. Flashblock works. Scrollbar works.
Many thanks.

soccerfan

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soccerfan
K-Meleon-SM2-W3 is smooth sailing for me so far!
Java works. Flashblock works. Scrollbar works.
Many thanks.

Ok i just downloaded the last version and i have installed it on ,y work computer runing windows xp pro.

So far from what i could see the double click on the bar does not open a new tab anymore.
CTRL T DOES NOT WORK either..

on the good side , the scrollbar.xml error from the previous version has been fixed THE SCROLL BAR

no spoofing Agent available which makes it hard do use
on the hotmail


Memory usage seems to a bit higher 23 Mb compared with 17 Mb the previous versions..


Unlike the other versions when i go to http://www.speedtest.net/ is asking me for the flash 7 tough it is allready installed
on my computer.....

Same story with Youtube.com...

There is no visible speed difference between the former version and this one

All in all is a nice piece of work...

Thanks you for reporting your experiences with the variation.

To have flash working, it is always necessary to
enable javascript with the Javascript button.
Otherwise YouTube and all the other sites, where you
want to see flash videos will ask for Flash installation.
The advantage of the button is, that you can surf all
the many pages, (I would say most) where javascript is
not necessary, with javascript disabled, which is a lot
safer and also faster. Installing NoScript would be an
alternative, but would probably increase the system load
additionally, which is already quite high in this variation.
Some less important features of the official version won't
work here, because this variation is based on my variation
for Linux with wine, which has some modifications, to make
it work better in Linux.
The decisive thing for me personally is, to have now
a variation based on gecko 1.9, which works in Linux,
because I have not managed up to now, to make work in
Linux the experimental k-meleon.exe for K-Meleon 1.6,
which has been built to work with the 80's runtimes.
As KM-SM2 uses the 70's runtimes only, I have the
possibility to go on using K-Meleon in Linux in the
not so far future, when Seamonkey will change to gecko
1.9, as Firefox did already, and gecko updates for 1.8
will not be available anymore, which will make all the
existing 1.5.x K-Meleons obsolete for security reasons.
Nevertheless I still hope that official versions using
the 80's runtimes will become compatible with Linux/wine,
but it is reassuring to have already an alternative.

Fred

Quote
Fred
Thanks you for reporting your experiences with the variation.

To have flash working, it is always necessary to
enable javascript with the Javascript button.
Otherwise YouTube and all the other sites, where you
want to see flash videos will ask for Flash installation.
The advantage of the button is, that you can surf all
the many pages, (I would say most) where javascript is
not necessary, with javascript disabled, which is a lot
safer and also faster. Installing NoScript would be an
alternative, but would probably increase the system load
additionally, which is already quite high in this variation.
Some less important features of the official version won't
work here, because this variation is based on my variation
for Linux with wine, which has some modifications, to make
it work better in Linux.
The decisive thing for me personally is, to have now
a variation based on gecko 1.9, which works in Linux,
because I have not managed up to now, to make work in
Linux the experimental k-meleon.exe for K-Meleon 1.6,
which has been built to work with the 80's runtimes.
As KM-SM2 uses the 70's runtimes only, I have the
possibility to go on using K-Meleon in Linux in the
not so far future, when Seamonkey will change to gecko
1.9, as Firefox did already, and gecko updates for 1.8
will not be available anymore, which will make all the
existing 1.5.x K-Meleons obsolete for security reasons.
Nevertheless I still hope that official versions using
the 80's runtimes will become compatible with Linux/wine,
but it is reassuring to have already an alternative.

Fred

That`s quite true..


Tell me Fred...The variations you make....Are you compile them yourself or what??

If so...I would be interested in finding out exactly what programs you need in order to succesfully compile a K-meleon..Yours is a fine piece of work and only need slight adjustments i would say...

I want to take it to the next level so to speak and start doing some compileing work myself..I looked on the page but seems that the informations there are out of date...

I would really apreciate if you could point me in the right direction..

By the way i am using Windows server 2000 if that helps,,

Cheers

I have not compiled anything myself up to now,
but I only used Dorians work, and rearranged it
for my personal use, with the needed gecko engines,
mostly from Seamonkey, or occasionally from Firefox.
As wine in Linux is a bit picky sometinmes, I
simplified part of the macros or replaced them
by other ones.
I plan to become more familiar with Visual Basic
in the future, but this needs a considerable effort.
Another option would be to compile K-Meleon in and
for Linux, but this may be even harder to achieve.
So up to now I may not be able to help you much
in compiling.

Fred

Quote
Fred
I have not compiled anything myself up to now,
but I only used Dorians work, and rearranged it
for my personal use, with the needed gecko engines,
mostly from Seamonkey, or occasionally from Firefox.
As wine in Linux is a bit picky sometinmes, I
simplified part of the macros or replaced them
by other ones.
I plan to become more familiar with Visual Basic
in the future, but this needs a considerable effort.
Another option would be to compile K-Meleon in and
for Linux, but this may be even harder to achieve.
So up to now I may not be able to help you much
in compiling.

Fred

Awright...
I see So, your`re not compiling yourself the gecko engines? Are you??

No, the gecko engines are maintained and updated
by the Mozilla developers team, respectively the
teams that release Seamonkey and Firefox.
The K-Meleon developers team only adds k-meleon.exe,
the kplugins and the K-Meleon structure, containing
also the macros, the chrome, the skins and the
extension addons.
Without the disposable Mozilla geckos, made by a multitude
of Mozilla developers, we would not be able to build
K-Meleon at all, because we have very few developers.
So, if they give up maintaining and updating the
1.8 gecko to a sufficient security level, we cannot
keep 1.8 as a base anymore, and have to adapt our
files to be usable with gecko 1.9 .

Fred

Quote
Fred
No, the gecko engines are maintained and updated
by the Mozilla developers team, respectively the
teams that release Seamonkey and Firefox.
The K-Meleon developers team only adds k-meleon.exe,
the kplugins and the K-Meleon structure, containing
also the macros, the chrome, the skins and the
extension addons.
Without the disposable Mozilla geckos, made by a multitude
of Mozilla developers, we would not be able to build
K-Meleon at all, because we have very few developers.
So, if they give up maintaining and updating the
1.8 gecko to a sufficient security level, we cannot
keep 1.8 as a base anymore, and have to adapt our
files to be usable with gecko 1.9 .

Fred

Right...


So the ony way to have acces at a Gecko is do download a allready compiled one??

Can`t you just get the surcecode from somwhere and just compile it yourself?

No Mozilla is free code You have access. Dorian compiles the GRE's for K-Meleon.
But K-Meleon project does not have the manpower to actively develop the GRE.

Just where to start a search. No money only bandwidth to download needed.

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/candidates-1.1.14/
Mozilla offers SourceBalls for download You can also draw fresh code from their CVS.

From my bookmarks. But I am no dev so I do not know whether they are useful.

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/ Mozilla Developer Documentation

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_Build_FAQ Mozilla build FAQ

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_the_Gecko_SDK Using Gecko SDK

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=70783&highlight=visual+toolkit
An older thread about optimized Firefoxes - ? good for K-Meleon too.

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/BuildKMeleon Build K-Meleon

http://www.microsoft.com/germany/express/download/default.aspx#offlineInstall
Latest MS tools download page. MS offers free Compilers, header collections and all You need to create MS win32 applications with free tools. Mozilla GRE for win32 can be done and is done with free MS tools.

http://xona.com/2004/06/29.html Info about older free MS compilers also links to how to use MS compilers with older or newer MS environments.



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guenter
No Mozilla is free code You have access. Dorian compiles the GRE's for K-Meleon.
But K-Meleon project does not have the manpower to actively develop the GRE.

Just where to start a search. No money only bandwidth to download needed.

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/candidates-1.1.14/
Mozilla offers SourceBalls for download You can also draw fresh code from their CVS.

From my bookmarks. But I am no dev so I do not know whether they are useful.

http://www.mozilla.org/docs/ Mozilla Developer Documentation

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_Build_FAQ Mozilla build FAQ

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_the_Gecko_SDK Using Gecko SDK

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=70783&highlight=visual+toolkit
An older thread about optimized Firefoxes - ? good for K-Meleon too.

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/BuildKMeleon Build K-Meleon

http://www.microsoft.com/germany/express/download/default.aspx#offlineInstall
Latest MS tools download page. MS offers free Compilers, header collections and all You need to create MS win32 applications with free tools. Mozilla GRE for win32 can be done and is done with free MS tools.

http://xona.com/2004/06/29.html Info about older free MS compilers also links to how to use MS compilers with older or newer MS environments.

That`s a lot of hogwash to be installed...No, that`s really a lot..And even i do have bandwidth the ideia of downloading like 4 GB without knowing if would be usefull or not ,well is not verry appaling..


So that was my original question....Anybody could point me in the right direction??
he
Could anybody list the necessary tools in order to compile the K-meleon or the GRE?


Well I guess Dorian might know the answer...But since he does not answer,,....

One of the items is K-Meleon's how to build.
You want SDK and selectively try to build necko.dll?
VC 0.71 free maybe look via xosa link. And find out how.

Else You download hogwash.

p.s. sorry I bothered You with info links.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2009 07:41PM by guenter.

Quote
guenter
One of the items is K-Meleon's how to build.
You want SDK and selectively try to build necko.dll?
VC 0.71 free maybe look via xosa link. And find out how.

Else You download hogwash.

p.s. sorry I bothered You with info links.

No man...It's allright...

The links were allright...point is that there says that the free tools won't do it..


looks like this page is out of date as well


http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/docs/build.php


i will keep on looking


Thank you

Quote
guenter
One of the items is K-Meleon's how to build.
You want SDK and selectively try to build necko.dll?
VC 0.71 free maybe look via xosa link. And find out how.

Else You download hogwash.

p.s. sorry I bothered You with info links.

No man...It's allright...

The links were allright...point is that there says that the free tools won't do it..


looks like this page is out of date as well


http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/docs/build.php


i will keep on looking


Thank you

Quote
guenter
One of the items is K-Meleon's how to build.
You want SDK and selectively try to build necko.dll?
VC 0.71 free maybe look via xosa link. And find out how.

Else You download hogwash.

p.s. sorry I bothered You with info links.

No man...It's allright...

The links were allright...point is that there says that the free tools won't do it..


looks like this page is out of date as well


http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/docs/build.php


i will keep on looking


Thank you

Sorry, I'm started to read triple. I belive that I must go to bed.

K-Meleon in Spanish

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desga2
Sorry, I'm started to read triple. I belive that I must go to bed.

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjBg6Qyf3M0

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Gorilla no baka
that there says that the free tools won't do it..


looks like this page is out of date as well
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/docs/build.php


i will keep on looking

1.)You either buy a used VC and its SDK or try to locate what is needed.

You likely want to alter necko.dll in GRE used by K-Meleon core.

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Gorilla no baka
108 // some default values
109 //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
110
111 // hard upper limit on the number of requests that can be pipelined
112 #define NS_HTTP_MAX_PIPELINED_REQUESTS 8
113

Firefox/SeaMonkey = GRE can be build with free VC 7.1. E.g. Link to optimized FFox builds.


2.) is outdated info for free VC 7.1 compiler and 1.0 - 1.5.2exe, with 1.8 GRE.

1.9 GRE and latest 1.6exe is AFAIK VC 8 (free tools or bought?)

GRE = free tools. Can 1.6.exe also be made with free VC 8 tools?


It boils down to have or find needed files and a building environment:

The missing items of free VC 7.1 and free MS SDK used then. Maybe not complete?

You always needed to find a free MS SDK version that had the right headers etc... to make the MFC (and possibly ATL) components of K-Meleon.

Which new free MS SDK or environment includes files e.g. XP or Vista updates for the components that were originally only shipped with a commercial version? Find!

Free VC 8 is a fairly complete environment, unlike free VC 7.1. Maybe it is complete enough? Try for 1.6.exe... !

Xosa link ultimately leads to info for switching compilers (e.g. how to use a VC 6 environment with a VC 7.1 compiler) and perhaps it still has links to a free VC 7.1. VC 7.1 is ancient & not on the MS sites any more. Maybe switching works for free VC 8. If You find the compiler and can switch You can build 1.5.2 also? Try!


3.)I am not gonna.

p.s. Only PPL like Dorian or Hao can perhaps forecast outcomes. But perhaps not - Dorian obviously uses the commercial VC 7.1 that has all tools and headers.

Quote
guenter

Quote
Gorilla no baka
that there says that the free tools won't do it..


looks like this page is out of date as well
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/docs/build.php


i will keep on looking

1.)You either buy a used VC and its SDK or try to locate what is needed.

You likely want to alter necko.dll in GRE used by K-Meleon core.

Quote
Gorilla no baka
108 // some default values
109 //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
110
111 // hard upper limit on the number of requests that can be pipelined
112 #define NS_HTTP_MAX_PIPELINED_REQUESTS 8
113

Firefox/SeaMonkey = GRE can be build with free VC 7.1. E.g. Link to optimized FFox builds.


2.) is outdated info for free VC 7.1 compiler and 1.0 - 1.5.2exe, with 1.8 GRE.

1.9 GRE and latest 1.6exe is AFAIK VC 8 (free tools or bought?)

GRE = free tools. Can 1.6.exe also be made with free VC 8 tools?


It boils down to have or find needed files and a building environment:

The missing items of free VC 7.1 and free MS SDK used then. Maybe not complete?

You always needed to find a free MS SDK version that had the right headers etc... to make the MFC (and possibly ATL) components of K-Meleon.

Which new free MS SDK or environment includes files e.g. XP or Vista updates for the components that were originally only shipped with a commercial version? Find!

Free VC 8 is a fairly complete environment, unlike free VC 7.1. Maybe it is complete enough? Try for 1.6.exe... !

Xosa link ultimately leads to info for switching compilers (e.g. how to use a VC 6 environment with a VC 7.1 compiler) and perhaps it still has links to a free VC 7.1. VC 7.1 is ancient & not on the MS sites any more. Maybe switching works for free VC 8. If You find the compiler and can switch You can build 1.5.2 also? Try!


3.)I am not gonna.

p.s. Only PPL like Dorian or Hao can perhaps forecast outcomes. But perhaps not - Dorian obviously uses the commercial VC 7.1 that has all tools and headers.

Wow ....

That's lot of info to digest...

Thanks for your input mate...

Welcome - and I hope the digest is ultimately useful.

p.s. I chased the info just before I had an accident that reduced my ability to use it. I remembered some and still had the links.

I checked on my old laptop.

#define NS_HTTP_MAX_PIPELINED_REQUESTS 8

Is also in local hdd Mozilla.src at ./netwerk/protocol/http/src/nsHttp.h


Incremental building is described here. They claim it takes one minute to do a component (after downloading, installing and configuring 3 GB of "hogwash" ).

Build perquisitve for GRE 1.8.x is compiler VC ++ 6 or VC++ 7.1

Free VCToolkitSetup.exe with compiler is on schools's ftp.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2009 06:55PM by guenter.

Having now tried both Gorilla no baka's KMlite, which failed to render any pages on my system, and Fred's K-Meleon Seamonkey W3, with which I'm currently posting this message, I must confess that KM-SMW3 is one of the best K-Meleon builds I have tried lately.

Her's a brief account of findings, requirements, needs and gripes on a PIII 1GHz system, runing Windows XP Pro on 512 MB of RAM... :s

1. On first launching it immediately complained about needing mfc71u.dll, which I had to download to make it work;

2. It is, to my very subjective senses, extremely FAST, especialy after applying the usual optimizations;

3. Favicons are not transparent on my hicolor work desktop (24bit) -- transparency bits appear black;

4. Having no need for them (I mostly only use Scroogle), I removed the 'SpecialSearches(n)' menus by commenting out relevant passages at the top of \defaults\settings\menus.cfg;

5. While doing this, I also manually edited pref.js and was able to get a broken password saving dialog working (no text, 3 buttons: "Yes", "No", and "" [blank], with the obvious results);

6. In-page controls aren't displaying the smooth rounded XP look, rather the old square NT one;

7. Hotmail still not allowing to view/edit messages -- "c._oldDisplay is undefined" appears in the status bar -- a problem that is common to other recent builds;

8. Empirically, by merely watching memory consumption with Process Explorer, I'd say it still leaks a little, though nothing compared to previous versions, and trim_on_minimise config is visibly working;

9. I would like to constrain this K-Meleon to never open new windows appart form the occasional pop-up/diversion window; anyone got a recipe?

10. Although the menu.cfg file has a conditional section to invoke menu entries for opening new tabs in the background, they're not showing in the actual context menus, so new tabs always steal focus -- to solve can I safely change 'ID_OPEN_LINK' to 'layers(OpenURLBg)'?

11. When opening a new tab, subsequent closing of this new tab doesn't return focus to the previous visualized tab, but only to previous tab in tab bar order -- anybody knows how I can change this behaviour?

Will post further observations as they come along. For now I only wanna thank Frank for this awesome KM build.

Cheeryo!

EDIT: About 6. -- Should be qualified by 'some', as most in-page controls don't have the retro look...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2009 02:22PM by foobarly.

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foobarly
5. While doing this, I also manually edited pref.js and was able to get a broken password saving dialog working (no text, 3 buttons: "Yes", "No", and "" [blank], with the obvious results);

Could you please provide details so I can also get it working. Many thanks.

soccerfan