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Yogi
Your trimmed down K-M will load faster at startup that's out of question but I'm curious how much less resources (if any) your trimmed down K-M consumes during browsing.

As far as I've tested Günter's noXUL flavor, the only noticeable difference was the loading speed at startup.

1.) a little less resources initially, but the GRE is set to claim all it can
- unused RAM is wasted RAM.

2.) guenter? merely fixed "crash on applet pages" and "plugins.html error".

Imported IMHO from Mozilla by Dorian now used by Fred and Hao.

Light chromes have big advantages on startup & seem to have a light advantage of about 5% at JavaScript heavy pages - but AFAIK they do not improve general speed.

Since flash (e.g. in pages video players) AFAIK also uses Script it may make a noticeable difference on slower systems. But I never tried to measure it. I do not even know how too.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2009 03:06PM by guenter.

gorilla no baka, did you just delete the files or did you also recompile k-meleon afterward? if the latter, did you notice a significant improvement in terms of speed, resource usage, etc.?

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Yogi
However features you don't use won't use up any resources. The main problem average users have with Opera is to tweak it according to their needs. I know what I'm speaking about since I use both K-M and Opera.

That's probably true to some degree. But for some reason I cannot open any page without getting Java and unknown error messages. And every time I scroll up a page I get a one inch black bar across the page. And while the customize menu opens, in most cases it is unusable. And it doesn't seem to provide a means to combine menu bars which does take up some real estate unless I remove a vital menu bar(s). And for some reason (perhaps it is just my particular installation) it doesn't seem to have a go button for the URL window and the customization options for buttons seems to be non-functional. And over all not as fast as KM when it comes to loading (even cached) images. But otherwise, a nice improvement.

Charlie

~~If it ain't broke, why screw it up?~~

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gorilla no baka, did you just delete the files or did you also recompile k-meleon afterward? if the latter, did you notice a significant improvement in terms of speed, resource usage, etc.?

I just deleted the files...
I have not recompiled it yet..I has been a real back breaker all this job,I just finished...

I was actually thinking that based on all the work i have done somebody with the compilers already installed might be willing to give it a shot(I only have installed a Dev C ++ 4.8.9.0 As i am not a programer yet, I am still learning) and as far as i know this one is not enough to compile K-meleon

About significant improuvments in terms of speed resurce usage :Yes you could say so...On my Windows server 2000 the slimmed down K-meleon uses 27 MB ram to run with 4 tabs opened one of them playing dailymotion videoclips
Yeah, you could say that is an improvement ...

The difference is Notable on my windows server 2000 running on a 7 years old NecLavie laptop with 224 MB RAM..

I am pretty confident on a newer computer it will be even faster...

I have also tried to slim down and upx my 1.5.2-L variation.
I have taken out the rss reader and the addons adblockplus
and noscript, but I have kept the preferences panel, and
added a javascript button. It should also work in Linux.
The size of the unpacked zip file is 7.45 Mb.
If somebody wants to try it, here is the download link :

http://one.xthost.info/eichhein2/KM1.5.2-L-minimal.zip

Fred

Adblockplus and noscript should stay inside.

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panzer
Adblockplus and noscript should stay inside.

If Kmeleon didn't have ABP or NoScript I would still be using firefox

Adblock and Noscript can be added. This is only a
basic version, in order to have a very small unpacked
K-Meleon , where this is necessary.
You can try to install the extensions yourself, although
I do not know right now, if the chrome would support them
as it is.

Fred

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Fred
Adblock and Noscript can be added....
You can try to install the extensions yourself,...

I agree that it is better this way (without adblock and noscript).
Then, one can add them as required or use proxomitron as I do
or pick something else altogether.

soccerfan

couldn't make adblockplus work in sm
tried different versions of adblock

In KM1.5.2-L-minimal these extensions are supported and they
can be added by installing them, while in KM-SM2 only
Noscript can be added (Noscript button on/off reversed),
while Adblockplus seems not to work at all. Possibly the
kplugin adblockplus.dll would have to be replaced with a
version for Gecko 1.9 .

Fred

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guenter
2.) guenter? merely fixed "crash on applet pages" and "plugins.html error".

The noXUL is from Fred.
My bad, sorry for the mistake.
Dass ich immer ins Fettnäpfchen treten muss

@Fred

I've tested KM1.5.2-L-minimal. Fine work.
A minor glitch I've found in the privacy bar. It works but the check/uncheck symbols don't change accordingly.
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As a general thought about compression.
It reduces file size but certainly doesn't speed up the loading since files have to be decompressed in memory.

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Yogi

The noXUL is from Fred.
My bad, sorry for the mistake.
Dass ich immer ins Fettnäpfchen treten muss

@Fred
I've tested KM1.5.2-L-minimal. Fine work.


As a general thought about compression.
It reduces file size but certainly doesn't speed up the loading since files have to be decompressed in memory.

1.) No need to be sorry, I just do not want to be mentioned when others deserve it.
Bist du nicht, aber ich möchte keine fremden Federn.

2.) truly stable chrome.

3.) Depends on situation, deflating in RAM is much faster than reading bigger files from a slower storage device. So personally I would not generalize.

Nicht als Gegenrede - aber, es kommt auf Zweck und Umstände an. Um minimale Werte zu erhalten, entfernt man u. U. auch Kommentare. Das sollte eigentl. z. B. bei XUL/Chrome Anwendungen beschleunigen.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2009 09:06AM by guenter.

NoXul is not my invention.

NoXul ist aber auch nicht meine Creation.
Es wurde von Hao zuerst verwendet, in einer seiner
Versionen, und es koennte sein, dass es sogar von
Dorian stammt, oder moeglicherweise von jemandem
ausserhalb von K-Meleon in der Mozilla-Familie.
Jedenfalls habe ich das auch nur uebernommen, dann
allerdings sehr oft verwendet.

Gruesse

Fred

So nobody is responsible from making the ME Chrome

Ich war es nicht und jetzt will Fred es auch nicht gewesen sein.

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NoXul is not my invention
Fred

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2.) guenter? merely fixed "crash on applet pages" and "plugins.html error".

Imported IMHO from Mozilla by Dorian now used by Fred and Hao.

My memory is not good - but I think I know.

Gecko needs some chrome to start. Just like the main K-Meleon project the chrome-light original purpose was to start an embed Gecko with very limited functions to give some html rendering to a non browser application. It was transfered from a barely into the fully usable ME browser chrome version "by Contributors to the K-Meleon project under the GNU General Public License."



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2009 02:03PM by guenter.

Fred, an interseting observation that may need to be corroborated:
I ran the 'acid3' test on your KM1.5.2 L and on your KM1.5.2 SM
and the results of the L version are much poorer (though both 'fail').

soccerfan

Thank you for your observation.
Passing the acid test may mainly be determined
by k-meleon.exe which cannot be changed by me.
Apart from that, these are only experimental versions,
and k-meleon.exe for KM-SM2 (Gecko 1.9) is most
probably not yet the one that will be used for
the official upcoming K-Meleon 1.9 version.

Fred

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Fred
taken out the rss reader and the addons adblockplus

Why remove AB+? It seems to work seamlessly in the background, doesn't seem to use any noticeable resources and IMO performs flawlessly a vital purpose.:s

Charlie

~~If it ain't broke, why screw it up?~~

Adblockplus and Noscript can be added by the user.
I wanted a minimal version for those who need a browser
that uses unpacked as little space as possible, with
the basic functions included.

Fred

Banana, this are also small:

QBrowser 1.8 563kb

Y2KSA Browser 2.0 786 kb

SkySurf 1.0 181 kb

LG Web Browser 1.0 20 kb!



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2009 07:18PM by panzer.

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guenter
OffByOne is not a full browser but ok.

Only in your uninformed opinion. Just because it doesn't have Flash, Java or Javascript doesn't mean it isn't a good browser. Off By One conforms to all of the World Wide Web Consortium's standards for HTML.

Off By One's best uses are as a portable browser and as a browser for insecure sites or sites that might have malicious scripts. A Java-based virus or security hole can't run if there's no Java.

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guenter
OffByOne is not a full browser but ok.

Only in your uninformed opinion. Just because it doesn't have Flash, Java or Javascript doesn't mean it isn't a good browser. Off By One conforms to all of the World Wide Web Consortium's standards for HTML.

Off By One's best uses are as a portable browser and as a browser for insecure sites or sites that might have malicious scripts. A Java-based virus or security hole can't run if there's no Java.

er.. i don't think gunter said it wasn't a "good" browser.. it's amazing that you've actually quoted gunter and then twisted the words.

not full does not mean not good
it lacks supports for the features you've mentioned which although IT IS a very good browser and fully html 2.0 compliant.. you can not use it for all sites= not full.

gunter's helping out gorilla on a small browser.. and according to gorilla's needs: yes.. ob1 is not full.

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guenter
OffByOne is not a full browser but ok.

Only in your uninformed opinion.

Just because it doesn't have Flash, Java or Javascript doesn't mean it isn't a good browser.

Off By One conforms to all of the World Wide Web Consortium's standards for HTML.

Off By One's best uses are as a portable browser


and as a browser for insecure sites or sites that might have malicious scripts. A Java-based virus or security hole can't run if there's no Java.

1.) You are not uninformed!

2.) I did not mean animadversion, but the topic is size; I tried to point at: Less function means less code = get me .

3.) Conforms AFAIK to older HTML versions but can IMHO render well.

4.) K-Meleon has a portable version too.

5.) K-Meleon has the option to use or not to use plugins and script.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/25/2009 03:45PM by guenter.

In my humble opinion ,

1) It is a ridiculous thing to look for other stupid browsers that does not allow you free access at their internal settings and they are not open source.

2) With the risk of ruffle someone's feathers a browser that does not comply with the "point 1" up top, is not a good browser.

Why? Because they come with PRESET SETTINGS IN THE NETWORK PROTOCOL MAKING INTERNET SURFING A PAIN.
Not all the computers are equal and not all the networks are equal either..Some of them support more agressive settings which can improve the download speed and the upload speed as well assuming you have the necessary band width,,

So a browser which is reducing (forcing ) everyone at the standard settings is a innutil browser good only for Joe Doughnuts and Sara Point-and click users.

Most of the users no not realize that they are surfing internet with the same settings that has been in use from around 1980 (i AM TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL MTU 1,518-byte) and that their browsers are really limitating their speed.

What`s the use of of paying for broadband a ridiculous expensive price (At least here in UK) when your browser will never allow you to enjoy Super jumbo frames even tough the network the hardware and your ISP can support it..???
That`s why i set to make a slim and superfast browser..Mind you, I am still learning so it`s gonna take a while...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2009 06:34PM by Gorilla no baka.

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Joe Doughnuts and Sara Point-and click users.

i don't know why but in my head that read: joe the plumber and sarah palin

I have added my variation K-Meleon1.5.2-L-minimal and
its download address to the list of browser variations
on the page for unofficial K-Meleons at :

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/UKmeleon

Fred

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Gorilla no baka
Joe Doughnuts and Sara Point-and click users.

i don't know why but in my head that read: joe the plumber and sarah palin

Could be because you`re american??:O

At least you have`not read obama ..which gives you a point in your favour

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Fred
I have added my variation K-Meleon1.5.2-L-minimal and
its download address to the list of browser variations
on the page for unofficial K-Meleons at :

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/UKmeleon

Fred

Not bad....But i am sure we can go even lower...

YOU only UpX -ed it right..?? I see that the chrome folder is a lot cleaner

I will take a closer look at it tommorow morning when i will come back from my night shift



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2009 10:32PM by Gorilla no baka.

I think I may have found the reason KM browsers are not appealing to everyone.

Perhaps KM browsers might be appealing to everyone if rather than being a simple design that makes it easy to buid a "Browser You Control" it were a run of the mill McDonald's of browser's like so many other's.

Charlie

~~If it ain't broke, why screw it up?~~

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i don't know why but in my head that read: joe the plumber and sarah palin

Could be because you`re american??:O

At least you have`not read obama ..which gives you a point in your favour

I still see the Forum as it once was, with IP

IMHO IP says disrupted ain't no Island monkey (English speaker ) @ not beyond the pond!

BTW. An old joke.

The three things wrong with US PPL in Enland, Europe or Africa / in case he is US.
1.) over rated
2.) over payed
3.) over here

guenter the sauerkraut ( or whatever English use for nick for angry German )



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2009 11:45PM by guenter.