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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: joe
Date: August 17, 2015 08:12AM

I updated from Win 8.1 Pro to Win 10. Win 10 ran ok for 1 week, then the 1st Win 10 update was downloaded and installed. My flash drives were no longer visible/accessible in Computer since the update. I need my flash drives so I went back to Win 8.1. Flash drives work ok now.

As far as I can tell, Win 10 does not allow you the option to choose which updates to install to your computer. Win 10 Pro users can choose a 'delay' of up to two months to install updates but after two months, updates will be downloaded and installed automatically. The 'delay' is for Recommended and Optional updates, Important ( security updates ) are installed immediately.

I have read of a standalone program offered by Microsoft that restores the ability to choose updates in Win 10. Microsoft is not actively advertising this program as it is contrary to their "we know what you need and you will get it" Win 10 as a service concept.

Anyone who can find this program is welcome to try it and let us know if it works. I can't lose flash drive access because of updates.

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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: Yogi
Date: August 24, 2015 01:47PM

Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy On You Like Windows 10

???

I don't have those updates installed since I do updates manually and only for important security fixes.



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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: JujuLand
Date: October 03, 2015 01:34PM

Already known, probably, but so interesting ... (German Tv recording translated in french)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q124iMX30Eg&feature=youtu.be

Windows ------------> Trash

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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: gene
Date: October 04, 2015 12:58AM
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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: psmith
Date: October 18, 2015 05:08PM

I stuck with 3.1, 95 and then 2000 for as long as they were usable, and it turned out to be the right decision. I may have been unable to run the latest hot game or whatever, but that never mattered to me. I'll continue using 7 for as long as possible, but may eventually get 10.

However, if I do get 10, it will be strictly for offline use. I will use a cheap linux box for browsing, and transfer stuff between it and my main laptop. Microsloth can only spy on you if you're connected, and once it's up and running, it won't need a connection. Unfortunately, that means no K-meleon unless there's a linux port....

If windoze 10 is designed not to work without an active internet connection, then I definitely won't be buying it.

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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: JohnHell
Date: October 18, 2015 05:24PM

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psmith
Unfortunately, that means no K-meleon unless there's a linux port....

Not native, but on Wine.

Jujuland is a Linux K-meleon user.

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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: rodocop
Date: October 18, 2015 08:40PM

Last KM versions are very good under Wine - much better than old branches.

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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: JujuLand
Date: October 20, 2015 06:36AM

I haven't had time to test it since 75.1RC3 ...

So I will have to test it smiling smiley
The user can have a look to Linux Users forum here to solve it, and report if there are always problems.

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Please clarify ??
Posted by: smallhagrid
Date: January 21, 2016 02:44AM

I am familiar with ReactOS - it is a great idea, but not mature enough to use as a daily, main OS.

Does the below refer to ReactOS - and was it supposed to say 'target' rather than 'tarjet' ??:
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jonaspm
Also, the tarjet OS is moving to Windows Vista, but they'll certianly change fast to Windows 7.

I am just trying to comprehend what that may mean - does it refer to some different OS altogether ??

Thanks.

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Re: Please clarify ??
Posted by: guenter
Date: January 21, 2016 06:45AM

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smallhagrid
I am familiar with ReactOS - it is a great idea, but not mature enough to use as a daily, main OS.

Does the below refer to ReactOS - and was it supposed to say 'target' rather than 'tarjet' ??:
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jonaspm
Also, the tarjet OS is moving to Windows Vista, but they'll certianly change fast to Windows 7.

I am just trying to comprehend what that may mean - does it refer to some different OS altogether ??

Thanks.

Yes 2 reactos.

Tarjet is the Spanish spelling. A typo in English. IMHO both probaly are derived from Targe/Tartsche (and many other spellings from all over Europe), a fighting shield. The same idea and object but many spellings. grinning smiley

See my other post above or Wikipedia. The targeted OS is Windows Server 2003 which is an Win2000 Server update sharing Windows XP features. A NT based Windows.


Originally the project targeted Win95, a more simple win32 bit system. {As oposed to win16 bit for Win 3.1 or WfW that only had 32 bit extensions.} A more or less DOS based not NT Windows system.

My guess is that they update the target to Win 7 or higher right away - if they update.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2016 07:25AM by guenter.

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Re: Please clarify ??
Posted by: JujuLand
Date: January 21, 2016 07:56AM

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My guess is that they update the target to Win 7 or higher right away - if they update.
Yes, if ...

The version haven't been updated since a long time ...

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Re: Please clarify ??
Posted by: guenter
Date: January 21, 2016 01:24PM

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guenter
My guess is that they update the target to Win 7 or higher right away - if they update.
Yes, if ...

The version haven't been updated since a long time ...

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Yes if...

I would only make that newer driver models are supported.

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Re: Please clarify ??
Posted by: smallhagrid
Date: January 21, 2016 06:31PM

Thanks Guenter & JujuLand.
I will welcome ReactOS whenever it becomes a bit more mature.
Their community edition site & successful funding campaign look very exciting actually - and w03 is a good target level as well.
It will be fantastic if their development speeds up as a result of all that.

As to all the flavours of win-doze...:
If it had been a bit more compatible with newer h/w I'd have stayed with w2kpro forever as it is so very stable & reliable.

As of now my path seems to be one of using windows in a VM under Linux full time because I've zero interest in any of the more recent, totally lobotomized things they've come out with.

Why anyone has gotten excited about any of those cartoony things is altogether beyond my comprehension.

I hold a strong value in the PC at my desk being MY PC - and as such it must remain under MY control, and not that of some far away entity with zero conscience and worse still - strong profit motives.

As such I found that even XP was pushing the boundaries of my chosen envelope.

I've looked carefully at those other win-doze things released since XP, and of the lot it seems only 7 may be worthy of the effort in tweaking into a 1/2 decent OS.
(But...I have not managed to convince myself to make such a time commitment yet; Linux is just more appealing to me.)

All the other things released after XP are just horrid - and 10 is just plain creepy, even just the looks of it.

A friend gave me a broken NB that had 10 stuffed into it.
After I'd repaired it & got it to boot again I used it for a while in recovering the user data from it - a nightmarish experience which I do not intend to repeat.
That one is getting wiped pronto & will become my Linux distro tester.

Thanks.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2016 06:37PM by smallhagrid.

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Re: Please clarify ??
Posted by: guenter
Date: January 22, 2016 07:07PM

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smallhagrid
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If it had been a bit more compatible with newer h/w I'd have stayed with w2kpro forever as it is so very stable & reliable.

As of now my path seems to be one of using windows in a VM under Linux full time because I've zero interest in any of the more recent, totally lobotomized things they've come out with.

Why anyone has gotten excited about any of those cartoony things is altogether beyond my comprehension.

I hold a strong value in the PC at my desk being MY PC - and as such it must remain under MY control, and not that of some far away entity with zero conscience and worse still - strong profit motives.

As such I found that even XP was pushing the boundaries of my chosen envelope.

I've looked carefully at those other win-doze things released since XP, and of the lot it seems only 7 may be worthy of the effort in tweaking into a 1/2 decent OS.
(But...I have not managed to convince myself to make such a time commitment yet; Linux is just more appealing to me.)

All the other things released after XP are just horrid - and 10 is just plain creepy, even just the looks of it.


...

Many think so well of Win2000 - that made it die so hard after its EOL.

New hardware is just the problem. I have a Win2000 update CD but used ME mostly until I adopted XP when I found nlite a program that let me create cutom install CD that made thinks like Win2000/ME look and feel.

There is a community that updated Win2000 and talked of using quite new hardware.
Some older posts in in your forum talk about that.

Win 7 I have also. I do not intend to update it to Win 10. Too much NSusA 5 eyes in that - more than enough in Win7 for me already.

Linux. A mini Linux that drives a Wine with some Windows look and feel would be sufficient for me if nothing becomes of ReactOS.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2016 07:09PM by guenter.

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Great info.
Posted by: smallhagrid
Date: January 22, 2016 11:49PM

Thanks for replying to my reply Guenter !!
I am especially curious to know more about these parts of your reply, please:
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...I have a Win2000 update CD but used ME mostly until I adopted XP when I found nlite a program that let me create cutom install CD that made thinks like Win2000/ME look and feel.

Can you say what you did to gain that goal, please ??

Which forum are you referring to, please ??
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There is a community that updated Win2000 and talked of using quite new hardware.
Some older posts in in your forum talk about that.

I would love to know absolutely anything pertaining to keeping w2k around as it really is my all-time favourite OS !!

As for Linux - there are many ways to combine these OSes, many including some variation of WINE - but that does not work well enough for me.

What I use is an LTS version of Ubuntu; with LXDE it is very much like the classic win-doze GUI that so many prefer.
I strip out the excess from that distro that I do not need or use, add in other things that are needed - and then add VMWare Player.

Under that I run a VM of XP that I make via P2V of my own tweaked up preferences.
It runs faster & more stable than XP ever did natively, and if anything goes wrong I can simply close it like any app & restart it harmlessly & quickly.

This way I get the best of both worlds so far - but I would really prefer to be doing this under an updated version of win2k.

Thanks !!

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Re: Great info.
Posted by: JohnHell
Date: January 23, 2016 12:14AM

For kernel updates and others for Windows 2000, visit msfn.org forums and blackwingcat threads for unofficial adapted patches and kernel extenders.


Looks like I'm not the only one with an inner debate about windows/linux next jump @guenter winking smiley

15 years ago I tried several times, but now... I feel so prisoner of Windows environment and lack of interest and excitement to it, even with Wine (even here is told most would work) and the little friendly gain on distributions, or maybe my expanded knowledge across years, but still... I'm not sure.



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Re: Great info.
Posted by: Yogi
Date: January 23, 2016 12:21AM

Microsoft respectfully warns its dear customers that future Intel chips will not work on its older Operating Systems.



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Re: Great info.
Posted by: JohnHell
Date: January 23, 2016 01:29AM

I already suffered with Windows 8.

Try to install it on some Pentium 4 and enjoy the party.

Planned obsolescence, they call it :/

The "good news" is that update.sys (the file that stores the microcode for newer processors support) could be extracted from newer versions to older and maybe introduced in installers.

In fact, Blackwingcat did an updated update.sys in the past for Windows 2000 and I appreciated it as it removed an error with another motherboard I had that didn't update the BIOS microcode for that processor.

And there is the other problem. Motherboard vendors may stop updating CPU support too through BIOS too. Who bets for it?


Actually I thought about it and I was wrong. Microsoft could do the same as some programs that require newer instructions sets, that can't be fixed with udpated microcodes. That is what Windows 8 does.



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Re: Great info.
Posted by: smallhagrid
Date: January 23, 2016 06:40PM

By following the great pointers posted in the replies, I have found some very interesting stuff indeed for any win2k lovers here besides myself...

Almost endless amounts of info here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/35-windows-nt420002003/

Tomasz86 has a site just filled with updates, here:
http://www.windows2000.tk

He is also very active in helping determined FF users under w2k, and the below thread gets even more interesting around page 4 or so:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2482475&p=12419975

He also says very clearly what was so great about win2k=>

"I like Windows 2000 specifically for a few reasons:

1. It's the last M$ system targeted only at professional users. It means:
- no eye candy (no themes, no shadows, no bells and whistles, etc.).
- less newbie annoyances (think of "Tour" or the infamous search dog in WinXP)
- more advanced system settings are not hidden from the user (think of "control userpasswords2" in WinXP).

2. Super light UI. Win2k's Explorer is very simple and light compared to the ones from XP and later.

3. Stability. It has been always known for being rock stable.

4. Very low system requirements."

Resources from BlackWingCat:
http://win2kgaming.prophpbb.com/topic292.html
http://blog.livedoor.jp/blackwingcat/archives/1009908.html (not in english)
An incredible 29 page thread here revolving around his works:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/149233-kernelex-for-win2000/page-29

Helpful things posted by other folks at other places:
http://forum.deviantart.com/technology/general/1699626/

http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/windows-2000-oldcigarettes-windows-2000-xp-api-wrapper-pack.167843/

http://www.win2k.eu.pn/ (VERY worthy of a look IMO !!)

http://cementproductions.yolasite.com/windows-2000-updates.php

http://w2k.flxsrv.org/wlu/wluen.htm (not very much in english)

Amazing lists of fixes at these 2 !!)
http://win2kgaming.prophpbb.com/viewforum.php?f=6
http://win2kgaming.prophpbb.com/forum4.html

There's even a way to emulate Android under w2k !!:
http://win2kgaming.prophpbb.com/topic728.html

From the FAQ at the above site:
"11) Q: Whats the main difference between OldCigarettes Win2k Wrapper and BlackWingCats KDW Wrapper?
A: For User32.dll,Kernel32.dll and Shell32.dll both Wrapper roughly cover the same functions.However OldCigarette started with the Wrapper focused on games and BlackWingCat's with KDW on applications.For instance KDW Wrapper includes Win2k compatible cancrypt32.dll,ntdll.dll,msvcrt.dw7,rpcrt4.dll and ole32.dll system files which are used a lot by applications.OldCigarettes API Wrapper (OCW) has improved compatibility with games and new copyprotections."

Recent info posted here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/174965-what-happened-to-the-2k-rollup-packages/
(https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw_nt4aAJIoPb0I1c1o5MHN5N1U&tid=0Bw_nt4aAJIoPWWNBay13dTlXOWs#list)

I will be using the above resources in setting up a new VM of w2k and I thank those who helped me to find all the above, most sincerely !!

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Re: Great info.
Posted by: JamesD
Date: February 03, 2016 11:45AM
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Re: Great info.
Posted by: peter
Date: March 13, 2016 01:46AM

Some Windows users download and install only security updates to keep Microsoft from putting updates on users computers that users don't want. No Automatic Updates enabled.

Is there a chance that Microsoft will decide Windows 8/8.1 is a security risk before its EOL? Will Microsoft try to 'sneak one by' making Download and Installation of Windows 10 a security update to Windows 8/8.1? I'm not referring to the change from Optional to Recommended, but a change to Security Update.

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Re: Great info.
Posted by: JamesD
Date: March 14, 2016 04:24PM

Microsoft wants everybody on Windows 10. It is a business decision for the company. How far they will go to obtain their desired result is anybody's guess.

I just came across this today:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2450852/updategate-microsoft-is-reportedly-upgrading-pcs-to-windows-10-automatically

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Re: Great info.
Posted by: rodocop
Date: March 14, 2016 04:53PM

"This came up on all of our work computers. I told IT. They basically said oh fuck"

Just brilliant! ;-)

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Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: JohnHell
Date: April 28, 2016 04:17PM
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Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: JamesD
Date: April 28, 2016 06:06PM
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Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: JohnHell
Date: April 28, 2016 07:13PM

Actually that was happening on a pre Windows 10 version asking you to update.

Funny it happened while the weather

Best unintended(?) wide broadcast for "Windows 10" ad.

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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: davidvicky
Date: May 17, 2016 07:33AM

i like use linux

thanh ly quan net
linh kien vi tinh cu
lap dat phong game



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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: peter
Date: June 08, 2016 01:10AM
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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: rodocop
Date: June 08, 2016 02:04AM

Just few lines of code saved as SMTH.reg and launched to fully avoid Win10:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade]
"AllowOSUpgrade"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade\State]
"OSUpgradeState"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001


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Re: ¬_¬ Re: Windows 10, the end of owning your Windows OS?
Posted by: peter
Date: June 11, 2016 11:23PM

It will be interesting to see what Microsoft does about the Windows 10 nag, once the free upgrade period is over.

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