smallhagrid ... I sent you a PM ... I was not interested in posting the information or even mention that I had this Franken Moon version. I am using some items or information from three different projects ... the last PM XP 26.5.0 portable version, the last New Moon update from roytam1 and the last update from petrus dated Oct 7th and none being my project. It's truly a Frankenstein mix of sorts.

I am thinking you maybe do not need the last PM XP version just get the Oct 7 petrus version (which is portable) and then add the last roytam1 version to the Bin folder ... there is no Bin folder in the roytam1 version, only the petrus version and also the last PM portable XP version.

This should work to have a nice portable updated New Moon version as of last Friday.

I will post the links needed:

Oct 7 petrus version ... Page 3

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/?page=3

Posted October 7 (petrus)

Thanks! Here's the newest build in portable form:

newmoon-roytam-portable-xp32-20171006-fc3f4bdc7.rar

36.75MB

https://www.sendspace.com/file/z54hl0

Edited October 7 by petrus
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Posted Friday 11-03-2017 at 10:34 PM (roytam1) Page 10

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/?page=10



New Build!

32bit https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.7.0a1.win32-git-20171104-39bf9f15c-xpmod.7z

64bit https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.7.0a1.win64-git-20171104-39bf9f15c-xpmod.7z

Official repo changes since my last build:
- Broken selection system inside of a nested contenteditable element (15c0d1a3e)
- Improve upmix function for mono sound to work on multi-channel setups. (77f0f43d8)
- Merge pull request #1434 from janekptacijarabaci/elements_contenteditable_1 (e59d0e25e)
- Fix Windows 10 detection in GfxInfo and remove obsolete entries. (e489cea1d)
- Enable paste event listener in documents with no editor component. (6d27a5221)
- Handle uninstalls of restartless addons in XPIProvider (69bc810f7)
- Сode style adjustment (332585f47)
- Merge pull request #1440 from JustOff/PR_restartless_uninstalls (0c11ba193)
- Version bump for new cycle. (4c1fd5f1a)
- Update README.md (4cbbddf8f)
- Port upstream patch for ICU to fix building with glibc 2.26+ on Linux. (617d3a392)
- Switch sync and key server to palemoon.org (39bf9f15c)

My changes since my last build:
- Update libvpx from Firefox 52
- Revert e489cea1d but leave Win10 fix
- Added a dummy console.clear() implementation, running such will produce an continuable error "Unknown Console API log level: clear" in javascript console instead of an uncontinuable "TypeError: console.clear is undefined"
---------------------------------------

That should work, then just keep up with any new roytam1 updates.

All those people are trying to get him to change the name and icons. I personally like 'New Moon' and the whole setup as it is. Keep some backups as the newer updates may be a problem ... hope not. Right now New Moon is a good fast browser with good security, at least it seems to be.

When you are finished ... take your new Franken browser over to the SSL Test Site and see what it tells you.

SSL Test Page

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/viewMyClient.html#1509992858545&frame_loaded

Hope this helps ...

callahan



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/06/2017 06:35PM by callahan.

Hi Callahan and thanks !!
I have replied to your PM.

There is not much else to do ... you can do those steps I posted about in my Oct 06 post ... if you want to. Here they are again ... I like the Favorites tab over Bookmarks and also with K-Meleon, then they are always 'updated' as I update my Favorites folder. You can add your own User Agents or what I mentioned.

I should also add ... I only use the 32bit version. I have no idea or knowledge about the 64bit version. Also, I add Adobe Flash Player 27.0.0.183 (10-2017) into the Lib\Mozilla\Plugins folder.

I did a little additional 'cleaning up' with the final Franken version. I just did these items with this new version. So far the Browser seems OK, you can go through the items and maybe get rid of a few things or leave everything as is.

For instance, I didn't add the Uninstall folder from the latest roytam1 update. Since New Moon is now 'portable' ... I don't think that folder is needed any longer.

You may discover some other items that can be removed or changed. This is still a 'work in progress' for me. I don't have to tell anybody to do backups as you change, delete or add items. So easy to go back if something goes wrong.

I am not running into any problems for now.

That's about it ... get that petrus portable New Moon backup from October 7th as soon as possible and save it. He has not been around or posted anything over at MSFN in the New Moon thread and that download link could go dead or expire anytime ... I don't know.

callahan


-------------------- my earlier post.

October 06, 2017 06:33PM

Just a few extra adds or pointers that I use on Pale Moon and they also work on New Moon. They are not reqired but they are settings that I personally like and also use on K-Meleon, Pale Moon (last XP version) and now New Moon.

Many of you already probably know all these ... this would be just for 'new' people who might like them ... and that still includes me as I work on my own personal settings.

The original New Moon version supplied by roytam1 has Compatibilty set to Gecko Compatibility. The newer version supplied by petrus has Firefox Compatibilty set as the default. I think this might be better to aquire Firefox add-ons but I am not 100% sure about that ... it makes sense that it should be set to Firefox Compatibilty, not an expert on this however. You may want to check this setting in Options.

To get rid of the New Moon splash screen:

This is for Pale Moon but it works in New Moon.

Question - Any way to disable splash logo?

In the top directory where the "Palemoon-portable.exe" launcher is located there is a file called "Palemoon-portable.ini". Open this file and near the bottom ... locate the entry "ShowSplash=true" ... change the "true" to "false". Should work.

----------------------------------

If you don't want Favicons:

Favicons are those tiny little icons that are displayed in front of every bookmark and tab in the Mozilla Firefox web browser.

They can be used to identify a website next to the website title that is also always shown.

There are two core reasons why someone would want to remove favicons in the Firefox web browser.

The first reason is size. Bookmarks with favicons can take up to 10 times as much space on the computer hard drive than those without. While a difference between 3 Megabyte and 300 Kilobyte does not look like much it can make a difference especially in very large bookmark collections.

The second concern is privacy related as new favicons are requested by the web browser from the website itself.

The following article outlines how to block favicons from being created. It is recommended to backup all files that are mentioned in this article prior to making the necessary changes.

1. Firefox settings

The first step is to change settings in the about:config dialog of the Firefox web browser. Simply load about:config in the Firefox address bar and filter the list for the term browser.chrome. Change the following three parameters to the following values:

browser.chrome


browser.chrome.favicons - False
browser.chrome.image_icons.max_size - 0
browser.chrome.site_icons - False

You change values with a double-click on the value field.

This step does not get rid of existing bookmark favicons though but prevents the creation of future favicons in Firefox.

--------------------------------------

New Tab - Home Page

Is there a way to set Pale Moon to have new tabs open my home page?

Yes.

In about:config, find "browser.newtab.url" and set it to the desired address. Note that this setting will be overridden if you at a later point in time change the selection for New Tab in Pale Moon's options.

---------------------------------------

Pale Moon - Favorites

If you want Favorites instead of Bookmarks, then when you update the IE favorites, K-Meleon and New Moon are also updated at the same time.

PlainOldFavorites

PlainOldFavorites is a Mozilla Firefox extension that allows you to use the Internet Explorer and Windows Favorites directly from Firefox.

Hiding the "Bookmarks" menu

Starting with version 1.1 of PlainOldFavorites, you can use PlainOldFavorites addon options dialog to turn the default Firefox Bookmarks menu on/off. In Firefox main menu, select Tools > Add-ons then locate PlainOldFavorites and click on 'Options'.

If you like the "Favorites List" built into all versions of Microsoft's Internet Explorer(IE) browser then you can still use this in Pale Moon (Firefox too) by installing the PlainOldFavorites(POFs) Add-on.

With this Add-on you can choose to use IE Favorites 'only' by hiding Bookmarks or run both lists in tandem. This is also a very easy way to keep identical Favorites lists across IE, PM and FF without any synchronising.


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/plainoldfavorites/


-----------------------------

Pale Moon - Firefox User Agent Switcher

The User Agent Switcher extension adds a menu and a toolbar button to switch the user agent of a browser.


https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/?src=search

... then you can add your own User Agents or use what is supplied in the download.

I deleted the User Agents that were supplied with Firefox User Agent Switcher and use these four User Agents in K-Meleon, Pale Moon and New Moon but they can be anything you want for your setup. I created a folder called Various and added them.

Windows 7

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:55.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/55.0


Windows 10

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:55.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/55.0


Windows XP

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:55.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/55.0


DuckDuckBot

DuckDuckBot/1.0; (+http://duckduckgo.com/duckduckbot.html)


... I am still working on settings for my setup, I just posted the above information for anyone that might also be interested.

callahan



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 11/07/2017 10:14AM by callahan.

I like the idea of maintained Pale Moon builds for Windows XP, given the OS is literaly on the edge of life support now as most every major company is dropping support, it will be obsolete in maybe 2-3 years. However I tried it on my Atom netbook and went back to K-Meleon which treats the low-power computer better in my opinion.

Last Sunday roytam1 posted updated versions of the New Moon browser and also another browser project he is working on ... the Basilisk/moebius new build for XP!

It is on Page 16 near the bottom of the page. (MSFN XP Forum) under this thread:

My build of New Moon (temp. name) a.k.a. Pale Moon for XP

... I don't know much about the "basilisk/moebius new build for XP!" project. I am very happy using the New Moon browser with the latest updates.

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/?page=16

roytam1 - Posted Sunday at 10:44 AM

New Moon - New Build!

32bit https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.7.0a2.win32-git-20171126-6bb8c4459-xpmod.7z

64bit https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.7.0a2.win64-git-20171126-6bb8c4459-xpmod.7z

Official repo changes since my last build:
- DefineOSFileConstants should return false if OSFileConstants service is not initialized. (f10270102)
- Remove display: contents pseudo frames. The content insertion frame may be tagged instead of the primary frame. (44d3d5c28)
- Force punycode display for IDNs with a <dotless-i/j, combining mark above> sequence. (a8592dc85)
- Special-case typed arrays in PropertyReadNeedsTypeBarrier. (8adb3321f)
- Explicitly cancel channel after mixed content redirect. (2fef22132)
- In order to not leak properties, ensure all the properties of adopted nodes are removed in case the adopt call fails. (e8afb1976)
- Fix a crash by setting a flag to true. (8e23c4300)
- Use ARGS_LENGTH_MAX as upper bound in MArgumentsLength::computeRange. (d179228e8)
- If we have XCTO: nosniff, we should have a content-type as well. (8167b87bc)
- Skip `XCTO: nosniff` check in case of 30x response (2788d6de8)
- Merge pull request #1489 from JustOff/PR_nosniff_skip_redirects (2a6078186)
- Revert "Add shortcut key for Browser Restart command" (abcc6a93a)
- Revert "If we have XCTO: nosniff, we should have a content-type as well." (400c32b2a)
- Cancel timer in TLSFilterTransaction if a transaction is canceled. (e88411b6a)
- Confirm we actually have a PKCS#7 signedData content info. (8579abc0e)
- Add missing sanitization for HTML exporting of bookmarks. (2e348d07f)
- Don't propagate LOAD_FROM_CACHE to the whole load group on charset reload. (6bb8c4459)

also ...

basilisk/moebius new build for XP!

Test binary:
Win32 http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/basilisk-55.0.0a1.win32-git-20171126-2c7948df3-xpmod.7z
Win64 http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/basilisk-55.0.0a1.win64-git-20171126-2c7948df3-xpmod.7z

diff: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/moebius_restoreXP_20171113.7z

source patch of ffvpx H264/HEVC/AAC/MP3 Addition: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/moebius-ffvpx-h264-aac-hevc-mp3-addition.7z

Official repo changes since my last build:
- DefineOSFileConstants should return false if OSFileConstants service is not initialized. (2460215d3)
- Remove display: contents pseudo frames. The content insertion frame may be tagged instead of the primary frame. (6717ddc80)
- Force punycode display for IDNs with a <dotless-i/j, combining mark above> sequence. (58da163c8)
- Special-case typed arrays in PropertyReadNeedsTypeBarrier. (1078d5a88)
- Add extra check for the http performance object's origin. (385875d58)
- Explicitly cancel channel after mixed content redirect. (fc7702866)
- Keep an extra reference. (bd714564d)
- In order to not leak properties, ensure all the properties of adopted nodes are removed in case the adopt call fails. (01301c0ce)
- Avoid rooting the object twice in EnumerableOwnProperties. (136ece224)
- Fix a crash by setting a flag to true. (178a122ae)
- Use ARGS_LENGTH_MAX as upper bound in MArgumentsLength::computeRange. (89ffb02a4)
- Reorder when GPUProcessHosts are destroyed. (3e7a2e393)
- Only fetch mPresShell after flushing the relevant content pres shell. (c4d1b228d)
- Make decoding of IDN ACE more robust. (76210dcf5)
- Make the url bar strip javascript even when preceded by control characters. (9665b74c4)
- Address misc. SnprintfLiteral correctness nits. (b6b47654e)
- Mark Heap<T> and barrier classes as MOZ_NON_MEMMOVABLE. (05282b01d)
- Clear gApplicationReputationService in the dtor. (f9e1f08ff)
- Use GetStyleContextNoFlush in UpdateCurrentStyleSources, and avoid flushing mPresShell twice. (6551515c1)
- Hold Windows AudioSession object while recycling registration. (f1a7d83b3)
- Fix double definition. Follow-up to 6551515c1a042f9b0f904b1fe64069cf237296e4 (9bfd5c0ee)
- Use a static mutex for getting deviceId keys in MediaParent. (cdf744019)
- Hold reference to layers in ContainerLayerComposite::mPrepared. (3604ebbce)
- C++ Promises: Stop using optimized path for non-PromiseObject. (0b55b89d3)
- Cancel timer in TLSFilterTransaction if a transaction is canceled. (79c4a1717)
- Bug 1343147 - Part 1. Do not double-apply transform vector of the root frame in a glyph mask into the target context. (b4a5912d2)
- Bug 1343147 - Part 2. A crash test of painting elements with both perspective and transform in generating a text mask for background-clip:text. (15a52123a)
- Confirm we actually have a PKCS#7 signedData content info. (acc8df46a)
- Remove unnecessary InvalidateCompilerOutputsForScript call. (1c2b117fd)
- Set MAX_COMBINED_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS to 0 if GetIntegeriv fails. (66729e90b)
- Add missing sanitization for HTML exporting of bookmarks. (d0ea81c17)
- Fix up toolkit about: page. This resolves #173. (0325689cc)
- Use our provisioned blocklist server. (d2546bc38)
- Stop trying to be a CRL provider. (25b0783cd)
- Update names in installer defines. (a1685e0e9)
- Stop building EME support by default on desktop browser builds. (57383bda7)
- Remove rust conditional leftovers. (b7d249766)
- Revert "Stop building EME support by default on desktop browser builds." (68bde621e)
- Make use of configured EME module defines to set UI/CDM prefs. (d083dcacf)
- Reinstate comment. (c8707d112)
- Reconfigure building EME. (f1a8302e6)
...



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/28/2017 12:29PM by callahan.

short summary (if I got it right):
Fellow Gecko-engine browser Palemoon has stopped support for XP.
Meanwhile it also uses a special own engine "Goanna", that they forked from gecko.

In the MFSN forum independant developer roytam1 works on a variation of Palemoon for XP: "New Moon", and Callahan kept us updated with crosspostings from there:
==> http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/?page=17

And a few days ago roytam1 also started a test build of KM76 with Goanna engine inside.
The discussion is going on in both forums now, over at MSFN and here at KM too.

===== SPLIT 1/2 ====

This big thread here was split in the middle, when roytam1 showed up himself here and started posting test builds for KM-Goanna! (G-Meleon?)
The second half is now moved here:
==> http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253

There's also a brandnew subforum just for Goanna-threads:
==> http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/list.php?19

TIP:
To find ALL new forum posts together at once on a single page click here:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/addon.php?0,module=recent_messages
(this is the link "Recent Messages" in the forum header above)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/03/2017 10:41PM by siria.

I don't know whether to keep posting here about the New Moon browser and the work being done by roytam1 over at the MSFN forum. I guess anyone interested in the New Moon browser can just visit the thread over at MSFN.

There is usually more information and discussion over there so I will make this my last post here dealing with New Moon.

There was a new update of New Moon posted today by roytam1 ... 03 Dec 2017 and also a new update of the basilisk/moebius new build for XP!

roytam1 is busy and now he is coming here to help.

New Moon ... Page 18

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/?page=18

roytam1 - Posted 15 hours ago

New Build!

32bit https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.7.0a2.win32-git-20171203-f054802d7-xpmod.7z

64bit https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/palemoon-27.7.0a2.win64-git-20171203-f054802d7-xpmod.7z

Official repo changes since my last build:
- Media - subtitles (implement cuechange event) (efc1cb213)
- CSS - box-decoration-break:clone on block overflow container makes it draw a border (b0c367e8d)
- HTML - input type="number" matches :-moz-read-only when it is not read only (866e7853e)
- Fix typo (RefPtr -> nsRefPtr) (19e254050)
- HTML - editor (improvements) (cdbbd876b)
- Use NS_NewBlockFormattingContext() in ConstructFieldSetFrame(). (4b2512ed9)
- Create block formatting context for DetailsFrame if needed. (861f3122d)
- Add reftests. (857edb7d4)
- Update HSTS preload list (65c519224)
- The profile - resetting (improvements) (948462ac2)
- Reuse ConstructScrollableBlock to build scrollable DetailsFrame. (501418edd)
- Merge pull request #1495 from janekptacijarabaci/media_subtitles_events_cuechange_1 (e6419d9b5)
- Merge pull request #1501 from janekptacijarabaci/html_editor_improvements_1 (41855a980)
- Merge pull request #1502 from janekptacijarabaci/css_box-decoration-break_1 (65ce08409)
- Merge pull request #1503 from janekptacijarabaci/html_input_read-only_1 (188f73ab6)
- Merge pull request #1504 from trav90/HSTS-preload-update (a0a5441d2)
- Merge pull request #1505 from janekptacijarabaci/profile_refresh_migrate_2 (2f3ed6aee)
- Revert "HTML - editor (improvements)" (694cd800f)
- Merge pull request #1507 from janekptacijarabaci/revert-1501-html_editor_improvements_1 (aa0f7a802)
- Merge pull request #1506 from MoonchildProductions/Bug1299753 (828a7e92c)
- HTML - editor (improvements) - follow up (f67fcdbaf)
- Merge pull request #1508 from janekptacijarabaci/html_editor_improvements_1_followUp (814956a34)
- HTML - details/summary - localize the description of default summary (2b0f743fa)
- HTML - details/summary - lists (the "Second item" will be displayed as "3. Second item") (2d611d55e)
- HTML - details/summary - lists (the "Second item" will be displayed as "3. Second item") - remove SummaryFrame (733878906)
- HTML - details/summary - lists (the "Second item" will be displayed as "3. Second item") - potential crashtests (bf325c174)
- Stop including AppVersion in the installer display strings. (b81e5b8ad)
- Rewrite assert in cubeb_alsa.c: alsa_refill_stream to pass back a cubeb error instead. (7b2bbfd88)
- Merge pull request #1516 from MoonchildProductions/cubeb-alsa-assert-fix1 (d49429482)
- Merge pull request #1509 from janekptacijarabaci/html_details-summary_improvements_1 (ec9a2f596)
- Merge pull request #1510 from janekptacijarabaci/html_details-summary_improvements_2 (e4c0d61b7)
- HTML - details/summary - reftest.list (follow up) (10e5565e0)
- Allow users to disable the 4th and/or 5th mouse button on Windows. (d775a1719)
- Merge pull request #1518 from janekptacijarabaci/html_details-summary_improvements_3 (01ff4389d)
- Mac: Re-initialize the Native Application Menu on run. (f054802d7)

-----------------------------------------------------------

basilisk/moebius new build for XP - Page 17

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/?page=17

roytam1 - Posted 16 hours ago

Test binary:

Win32 http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/basilisk-55.0.0a1.win32-git-20171203-9d17ead7f-xpmod.7z

Win64 http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/basilisk-55.0.0a1.win64-git-20171203-9d17ead7f-xpmod.7z

diff: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/moebius_restoreXP_20171113.7z

source patch of ffvpx H264/HEVC/AAC/MP3 Addition: http://o.rthost.win/gpc/files1.rt/moebius-ffvpx-h264-aac-hevc-mp3-addition.7z

Official repo changes since my last build:
- DefineOSFileConstants should return false if OSFileConstants service is not initialized. (2460215d3)
- Remove display: contents pseudo frames. The content insertion frame may be tagged instead of the primary frame. (6717ddc80)
- Force punycode display for IDNs with a <dotless-i/j, combining mark above> sequence. (58da163c8)
- Special-case typed arrays in PropertyReadNeedsTypeBarrier. (1078d5a88)
- Add extra check for the http performance object's origin. (385875d58)
- Explicitly cancel channel after mixed content redirect. (fc7702866)
- Keep an extra reference. (bd714564d)
- In order to not leak properties, ensure all the properties of adopted nodes are removed in case the adopt call fails. (01301c0ce)
- Avoid rooting the object twice in EnumerableOwnProperties. (136ece224)
- Fix a crash by setting a flag to true. (178a122ae)
- Use ARGS_LENGTH_MAX as upper bound in MArgumentsLength::computeRange. (89ffb02a4)
- Reorder when GPUProcessHosts are destroyed. (3e7a2e393)
- Only fetch mPresShell after flushing the relevant content pres shell. (c4d1b228d)
- Make decoding of IDN ACE more robust. (76210dcf5)
- Make the url bar strip javascript even when preceded by control characters. (9665b74c4)
- Address misc. SnprintfLiteral correctness nits. (b6b47654e)
- Mark Heap<T> and barrier classes as MOZ_NON_MEMMOVABLE. (05282b01d)
- Clear gApplicationReputationService in the dtor. (f9e1f08ff)
- Use GetStyleContextNoFlush in UpdateCurrentStyleSources, and avoid flushing mPresShell twice. (6551515c1)
- Hold Windows AudioSession object while recycling registration. (f1a7d83b3)
- Fix double definition. Follow-up to 6551515c1a042f9b0f904b1fe64069cf237296e4 (9bfd5c0ee)
- Use a static mutex for getting deviceId keys in MediaParent. (cdf744019)
- Hold reference to layers in ContainerLayerComposite::mPrepared. (3604ebbce)
- C++ Promises: Stop using optimized path for non-PromiseObject. (0b55b89d3)
- Cancel timer in TLSFilterTransaction if a transaction is canceled. (79c4a1717)
- Bug 1343147 - Part 1. Do not double-apply transform vector of the root frame in a glyph mask into the target context. (b4a5912d2)
- Bug 1343147 - Part 2. A crash test of painting elements with both perspective and transform in generating a text mask for background-clip:text. (15a52123a)
- Confirm we actually have a PKCS#7 signedData content info. (acc8df46a)
- Remove unnecessary InvalidateCompilerOutputsForScript call. (1c2b117fd)
- Set MAX_COMBINED_TEXTURE_IMAGE_UNITS to 0 if GetIntegeriv fails. (66729e90b)
- Add missing sanitization for HTML exporting of bookmarks. (d0ea81c17)
- Fix up toolkit about: page. This resolves #173. (0325689cc)
- Use our provisioned blocklist server. (d2546bc38)
- Stop trying to be a CRL provider. (25b0783cd)
- Update names in installer defines. (a1685e0e9)
- The profile - resetting (improvements) (3a621c6a4)
- Stop building EME support by default on desktop browser builds. (57383bda7)
- Remove rust conditional leftovers. (b7d249766)
- Revert "Stop building EME support by default on desktop browser builds." (68bde621e)
- Make use of configured EME module defines to set UI/CDM prefs. (d083dcacf)
- Reinstate comment. (c8707d112)
- Reconfigure building EME. (f1a8302e6)
- Merge pull request #205 from janekptacijarabaci/profile_refresh_migrate_2 (2c4eb63be)
- Throws an error: CloudSync is not defined (2b031ac87)
- Throws an error: CloudSync is not defined (adding an condition, for sure) (f89b159d0)
- Merge pull request #209 from janekptacijarabaci/error_CloudSync_1 (adea8c4ad)
- Two (and more) extensions together - http resume - basilisk crashes (fce6679fa)
- Remove arbitrary NPAPI plugin whitelist for 64-bit. (062c4cc9a)
- Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/moebius (74ea5ac9a)
- Merge pull request #211 from janekptacijarabaci/extensions_together_crashes_1 (21fda0172)
- Make the SVG scaling limit for the surface cache more lenient. (7728f8b72)
- Get rid of link to irrelevant information after build. (9d17ead7f)
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As a long-time, devout XP user (both directly & as a VM guest OS under Linux) I greatly appreciate these efforts and wish I had more available time to experiment with them.

The biggest questions occurring to me lately in regards to these wonderful browser variants concern the new vs. old rendering engines...but only from the user's POV.

So I ask:
What does it matter to the user himself which engine is in use ??

Is this only about making sure that 'modern' pages render & appear correctly ??

Does the choice of browser engine matter very much with regards to abilities to view YT videos ??

Aside of those types of queries, I see very little of value in most of the 'security' concerns, as better locks will always just result in better lock pickers;
Also, since the internut as whole is a wide open, public network - there is just too much silliness with regards to any imagined 'privacy'.

Referring to my 3 queries above then, I truly & sincerely ask:
Why should one care about which engine is under the hood of the browser ??

Thanks for any helpful replies !!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2017 10:52PM by smallhagrid.

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smallhagrid
As a long-time, devout XP user (both directly & as a VM guest OS under Linux) I greatly appreciate these efforts and wish I had more available time to experiment with them.

The biggest questions occurring to me lately in regards to these wonderful browser variants concern the new vs. old rendering engines...but only from the user's POV.

So I ask:
What does it matter to the user himself which engine is in use ??

Is this only about making sure that 'modern' pages render & appear correctly ??

Does the choice of browser engine matter very much with regards to abilities to view YT videos ??

Aside of those types of queries, I see very little of value in most of the 'security' concerns, as better locks will always just result in better lock pickers;
Also, since the internut as whole is a wide open, public network - there is just too much silliness with regards to any imagined 'privacy'.

Referring to my 3 queries above then, I truly & sincerely ask:
Why should one care about which engine is under the hood of the browser ??

Thanks for any helpful replies !!

Please define "users".

novice users and advanced users may have different concerns.

Well...

As for me I see next points here:

1) Different engines at least have different possibilities. Even now when FF almost merges itself with Chrome in terms of extensibility techs, we still have Goanna/oldGeckos and Trident.

There IS real difference in using different things. Some users rely on multiple extensions existing only for 1 platform.

2) Speaking about security, I see that any non-Chrome browser is now more secure (not private) than 'Blinked' ones.

Well their engines are not safer by design sure, but Chrome as King of the hill became the primary target for malwares. It's real problem and threat.

If you think a little about avoiding malware attacks you should think about ENGINE you are choosing. It's true.

3) The general consideration: diversity is good. It's the thing that moves world ahead. And also software world.
End-user maybe shouldn't think about it everyday, but less diversity makes finally things worse for all of them. So they should.



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roytam1
Please define "users".
novice users and advanced users may have different concerns.

Agreed.
BTW, how would you define an advanced users?
It's not a rhetorical question and I mean it.
Convenience, security and privacy don't really work together. By trying to make a compromise between them, one may end up with the least common denominator...

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Yogi

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roytam1
Please define "users".
novice users and advanced users may have different concerns.

Agreed.
BTW, how would you define an advanced users?
It's not a rhetorical question and I mean it.
Convenience, security and privacy don't really work together. By trying to make a compromise between them, one may end up with the least common denominator...

There are levels in my defined "advanced users":
Advanced Users Lv1: Make use of a lot of extensions
Advanced Users Lv2: Write their own userscripts/extensions
Advanced Users Lv3: Modify and/or Compile their own browsers

Is there a comprehensive up to date Wiki for Goanna's prefs available in "about:config"?
Does Goanna have hidden prefs not documented?

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Yogi
Is there a comprehensive up to date Wiki for Goanna's prefs available in "about:config"?
Does Goanna have hidden prefs not documented?

Those are unknown to me. You may dig in palemoon forum for that.

Hi Roytam1 & thanks for replying !!

For me it is like this:

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roytam1
There are levels in my defined "advanced users":
Advanced Users Lv1: Make use of a lot of extensions
Advanced Users Lv2: Write their own userscripts/extensions
Advanced Users Lv3: Modify and/or Compile their own browsers

I am a definite 1 for sure, though I have at times needed to edit a script or 2, I avoid anything like coding as that is not an interest of mine.

At the same time my 20+ years as what can be called an OS 'mechanic' (or hacker, if the correct definition is used...) has me aware of and avoiding most internut hazards quite deliberately, which helps alot when one prefers an older win32 based OS.

Thanks, and Best Wishes.

https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium suprised that nobody talked abt this one.

On the surface it looks like a great idea & project, but...:

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szone
https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium suprised that nobody talked abt this one.

Seems quite limited at present as shown below:

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developer?
archlinux (for Arch Linux)- Broken. Platform needs development.

debian_stretch (for Debian 9.0) - Working

linux_portable (for any Linux system) - Partially broken. It may work on some platforms, but it still needs more testing and development.

macos (for macOS) - Working, but see following note....

opensuse (for openSUSE) - Unknown. Needs testing and development.

windows (for Windows) - Broken. Support needs to be re-added.

Any initiative which leads to less google invasiveness will be a good thing IMO, and with support for older versions of windows such works would be best of all;
-IF- they actually arrive.
Sadly, browser changes seem to be guiding other things a bit too much these days.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2018 08:43PM by smallhagrid.

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smallhagrid

Any initiative which leads to less google invasiveness will be a good thing IMO,...

I have my doubts about any Chromitis suffering browser to be cured from Google's invasiveness.
Most (if not all) such projects are an one-man/developer show.
They take the source from upstream adding some modifications.
Imagine the time for parsing (and if neccessary sanitizing) the entire code (millions of lines).

I can only agree with you 100% Yogi, thanks.

Sadly, the entire internet experience has been a conduit for such invasiveness - and what with most folks oblivious, or ignorant (in the true meaning of the word...), or simply uncaring - it seems likely to be only getting MORE invasive.

Speaking just for myself, I avoid all things chrome as well as all the m$ internet products and OSes as the plagues that I consider them to be.

These are the same objections that I made during the height of the Compuserve/AOL era, when folks were all excited to 'have internet access' whilst remaining ignorant of the true natures of what they were paying for.

Now, it has gotten so extreme that the users have been cast into the molds of being the products;
The manipulation is now so very deep & intense as to foster & produce actual addictions & life changes - and those who made chrome as well as their oblivious users all thing it is all just GREAT.