Will they made a fork too, as Palemoon?

Who knows. I guess that is what we can imagine from the news.

I just clicked on my Seamonkey release notes to check for news (yeah, not the best path to see news, but I don't like auto-updates) and I saw this update from September.

Another way to go, another option to Firefox.

Good news?, bad news...?, time will tell.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news

Where will this end up - only time will tell, but the truth of it is...:
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/google-chrome-is-in-danger-of-becoming-windows-everyone-uses-it-but-no-one-loves-it

And it is related because... Really, I don't get it.


Off-topic
Chrome is the new IE and is not a surprise. Forcing the living standard and, or you use it (I don't), or some websites won't work as they "should" on other browsers. "Should" here means as the webmaster intended because the site was only tested with Chrome.

The same story as IE in the past.



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Doom, gloom... the graveyard keeps filling, and the downhill path will not end anytime soon
Today the situation is much worse as in days of IE6, nothing will be able to replace Google anymore. They have become absolutely almighty by now, and in various fields. Browser, Operating System, Search engine, Videos, Mail and Doc services, cloud hosting etc., no escape. Zero chance for any competition anymore.

Regarding Seamonkey, have not much hope either. The posting above sounds hopeful, but on the other hand have recently read that it's more and more dying too, due to losing devs (always were just a few, in spare time, and meanwhile almost just 1 left), and also due to Mozilla's removal of all the engine bridges for forks. Very much the same struggles now as KM.
What's additionally worrying me about this is the addons archive on AMO.
Those of the FF addons which were also compatible with Seamonkey or Thunderbird, were not deleted by Mozilla, they are still there. But how long yet, if Seamonkey now dies too.

By the way mozillazine must also close, after some 20 years, another extremely valuable resource.
But at least its admin plans to keep the site public, as a static, frozen archive.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3055133

And whenever a site goes down everyone places all hopes in the wayback archive, but have lately realized: without a powerful search engine that's rather useless too! At least for sites like this forum here. Meanwhile I can finally find the archived dates and URLs myself, without JS (thanks to url-parameters and cdx), but how to find specific answers to KM-problems inside this pile of URLs??



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By the way mozillazine must also close, after some 20 years, another extremely valuable resource.
But at least its admin plans to keep the site public, as a static, frozen archive.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3055133

Oh, man, at least only forum activity will be lost. That knowledge is priceless.

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mozillazine forums
Much of the stuff is outdated, although the current data is priceless.

Even if so, outdated stuff helps understand current stuff :/



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I am quite lukewarm towards Seamonkey & have always wished there could be a bare browser version of it - and even better if it was portable.

Yes, the big g is now the g monster & has quietly pretended to false goodness as it has consumed...everything, pretty much.

Looking at the dysfunctional side of things, for those croome-only sites that seem to be unavoidable I stooped to the level of using Vivaldi to gaian access, but even that is failing for me now.

A sideways fix I considered was finding the croome OS & either putting it into an older netbook or into a VM, but:
It seems to be noplace anymore;
Must be that the g monster didn't want it available to the public anymore ??

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I am quite lukewarm towards Seamonkey & have always wished there could be a bare browser version of it - and even better if it was portable.

It is portable!!! For the very first version it always has been portable, or has had got a portable option, as you prefer:
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/

The above is the http version of the not available any more ftp.

Sure, is not at first sight, but it used to be available in the same releases page (check archive.org):
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

I guess the knowledge of availability is to old Seamonkey users only.



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It is portable!!! For the very first version it always has been portable, or has had got a portable option, as you prefer:
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Oh... but without this clear info, it's really very hard to figure out!
One has to inspect the single archive folders and stumble across a "zip" e.g. here:
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.5/win32/en-US/

That is, if "zip" really means "portable" here? Just an assumption, but strange that it's 20% bigger as the installer-version, hmm... Or perhaps it's something different? But if it's portable, it's really well hidden. Also checked the FAQ, and nowhere any word about "portable" to be found.

But to me as a KM-user, used to get only single releases, and knowing the Seamonkey folks have extremely limited manpower too, this multitude of download links is mindblowing:
There must be dozens, if not hundred, of every single version?! For win32, win64, Mac, Linux... and each in dozens of languages, all separate downloads... and for each version also single langpacks to download, equally split for different OS again... WHOA.... makes me dizzy, thinking of that workload for the maintainers!

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That is, if "zip" really means "portable" here?

If we stick to the real meaning of portable... is not. You have to manually create the profile and call the profile in the same folder as you drop Seamonkey. Otherwise it creates it in the Windows (under Windows) profile folder.

If it is bigger is because it hasn't the same compression. Since years, the Firefox and Seamonkey installers embed a 7zip or kind of compressor they are auto-extract 7z exe files, actually. Which is better then zip, of course.

You can go the way around, download both and open them with 7zip and spot the difference. The same exact bytes for the folder.

EDIT: to my shame, the spanish versions match 1to1, but between the en-us installer and en-us zip don't XD Weird.



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I have tried it again & again since it 1st appeared actually:

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I am quite lukewarm towards Seamonkey & have always wished there could be a bare browser version of it - and even better if it was portable.

As one who adored Netscape 3.0.3 Gold, I had hoped that SM would be a nice 'update' very much like that - and it would be EXCEPT that it is slow & bloated IMO.

Hence my wish for it to be BROWSER-ONLY somehow as well as portable like all my best preferred apps are.

In a world being forced towards everything on the internut getting chroome-ized, it is becoming harder & harder to find anything that has NOT already been lobotomized.

Just last night I was forced to use Vivaldi to buy a gift card that was needed ASAP - tried 3 other browsers before it & none would proceed.
Meh.

well Seamonkey has a new forum here, in case mozillazine goes down for good (I used to have a valid login account at mozillazine but it stopped working a few months ago due to this problem)

We are in synch XD

I was just reading the Seamonkey's mailing list a couple of hours back (I don't know what impulse made me do it, as I don't do, as enter mozillazine unless needed) through the Usenet server news.mozilla.org newsgroup and I just read that but I didn't even enter.

Another PHPBB forum without much customization yet.

Sorry for your account. What a dumb error.

There already EXISTS bare browser from SM - even on Goanna: Borealis. Just the old good Navigator.

Moreover, the only one build available for download is the roytam's one - https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/bnavigator.win32-20191019-efcafdc-uxp-201635685-xpmod.7z

And, separately, there is MailNews app, InterLink (Goanna Thunderbird clone) - https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/mailnews.win32-20191019-efcafdc-uxp-201635685-xpmod.7z



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I'm using BNavigator with SeaMonkey & Basillisk right now and I'm very happy with them.
I don't know what's happend with build "bnavigator.win32-20211009-1c1c0ac0-uxp-25114ddf5-xpmod".

Any ideas ? Roytam1 ?
https://o.rthost.win/boc-uxp/?sort=name&order=asc

__________________________________________
How to install Firefox addons in KM 76 RC:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?9,141979
Icons for Goanna KM/SM:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?10,150634
K-Meleon Quick Reference:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/docs.php
Basilisk/KM/SM xpi converter:
https://www.addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
Best regards.

If honesty were employed - poor old (but in reality dead) FF should now be called ChromeFox (or even GoogleFox) - 'cuz that IS what it has become already, using Chrome extensions, etc...

Back to Seamonkey, I desperately desired for it to be the solution for at least the browser functions of it under Linux, and I even tried using its email portion, BUT=>
It turned out to be a terrible resource hog that only got worse & worse as it was used, so it got removed.

I have BNavigator, but seldom use it, though I do enjoy its classic looks.

My most used browser now is the Linux version of Basillisk, which is about 90% great for me right now and I'm very happy with being able to use Classic Add-ons archive with it.

For my fast & light needs I still use & prefer an older w32 version of Mypal because it is so good that way !!

For ALL videos I may wish to view I use Librewolf from its APPIMAGE file, which is very slick & actually surprisingly easy on resource usage as well.

Yes - there are a few sites which simply -demand- a Chrome back-end, for which I reluctantly open ungoogled Chromium...briefly.

Having said all of the above=>
I've concluded that there is no browser which does it all without slowing down my Linux PC to a crawl - hence the sort of collection of them which I use presently.

As Chrome/big G & M$ grab more & more of this area though, these things can very easily change overnight & with no warnings at all.



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For my fast & light needs I still use & prefer an older w32 version of Mypal because it is so good that way !!

As a side note, as MyPal development halt, the alternative is Roytam's New Moon. The MyPal profile can be reused and, as far as I understand, Roytam's New Moon is based on latest Palemoon engine, as was MyPal.

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I've concluded that there is no browser which does it all without slowing down my Linux PC to a crawl - hence the sort of collection of them which I use presently.

As Chrome/big G & M$ grab more & more of this area though, these things can very easily change overnight & with no warnings at all.

Microsoft here has the same role as Mozilla, just a follower of the trends, as Edge uses Chrome engine, so... nothing to do in the party.


Those who control the route web and browser are taking is on Google/Chrome/Android and Apple/Safari/iOS-Mac, as they have been pushing how the web must look, specially on mobile devices, in the living standard and what the browsers must offer.

Leaving, as I said above, Microsoft and Mozilla to just follow the trend trying to being an "alternative" (in case of Edge, as it uses the same Chrome engine, is not an alternative) of the, now, king: Chrome. Or in other words Blink and WebKit engines. And, still, I wouldn't consider Mozilla as an alternative as they are in the game too.

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Will they made a fork too, as Palemoon?

Who knows. I guess that is what we can imagine from the news.

I just clicked on my Seamonkey release notes to check for news (yeah, not the best path to see news, but I don't like auto-updates) and I saw this update from September.

Another way to go, another option to Firefox.

Good news?, bad news...?, time will tell.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news

regarding Seamonkey as of 2022, they're still making 2.53.x releases as they're only a few original SM devs left

Looks like. The other day I saw the release news too and look like they are still using Firefox engine.



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Looks like. The other day I saw the release news too and look like they are still using Firefox engine.

yes. and they've just released a 2.53.11.1 version several days ago