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Hmmm but I have SSE2. That's why I passed that link with little attention. Are the standard dlls buggy?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/23/2017 02:14PM by Anixx.
if your system is > XP and you have no av*.dll in K-Meleon.exe's folder, you're using system codec, which may be buggy with some stream.
Thanks for all the updates and fixes roytam! Much needed.
Must be an awful lot of work, and have seen at the MSFN forum that you're even parallel working on other XP-browsers too at the same time, incredible.
Noticed only now that there are actually 3 different LAV-downloads linked in the first post. But all in 1 line, that makes it look like it were only one plus comments. Should be made easier recognizable.
Those 3 differ in compatibility.
First download is for modern SSE2-abled systems
Second is SSE2-independent.
Third is for extremely outdated old systems.
@roytam1
Thanks for stable update! I wishes you happy holidays! And happy holidays to all)))
Not only. If people are confused, and questions continue to arise, I think it is Important to stress that so-called "old" DLL ( https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav-dll-lite-noasm.7z ) works on any hardware (yes not the most optimal way, but it is working and stable). And so-called "new"
( https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav.7z ) do not work on all CPU (requires SSE2).
As a compromise, you can use LAV filters version of 0.69 (requires only SSE,
https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters/releases/download/0.69/LAVFilters-0.69-x86.zip ).
...
Can be at least DLL with SSE (without SSE2 earlier https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav-mmx.7z , now https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav-dll-lite-mmx.7z ), although I would recommend without optimizing instructions (see tests:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253,143555#msg-143555
and
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253,143504#msg-143504 )
to include in a basic supply by default? For people, not reading entire conference, would be helpful.
And questions will be less : )
Automatic update is evil : )
They are harmful for stable configurations. And reason is often laziness of end user.
@Anixx
If you really want it, you can easily write a batch script with wget and https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/ as URL (yes, in Windows and will not have problems with HTTPs). Then using a macro, load it (each time you start the browser). If there are problems with local parsing of pages, you can use cURL.
If you need to decompress, almost any archiver utility supports command line (7-zip, as example).
And that's all. You can even use scheduler in OS.
Edited 13 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2017 05:04PM by hermes.
I think this build should be made official.
To my surprise, AdblockPLUS is now included out-of-box too?
Wow... I know everyone requests it, am just looking through the eyes of clueless new KM users, and this makes now whopping 3 adblock tools included in KM
Can just see them thinking we're completely crazy, especially since the configuration for each one is shattered all over the (hidden) prefs or menus - but then again, no one will even be aware, instead completely confused when reading or discussing adblock questions in the forum:
1) Old css-adblock:
a) menu Tools > Privacy > Block Ads on/off (no mention which of 3)
b) F2 > Page Display > Content Filters (this edits:
config file: /profile/chrome/adblock.css (dating from 2006, lots false pos.)
Default: off
pref: kmeleon.adblocking=false
2) basic-adblock (Dorian):
F2 > KM plugins > adblock on/off (no mention which of 3)
no menu, no buttons, nothing to be found in GUI
config file: ??
Origin: kplugins > adblock.dll
Default: popup-choice at profile creation
pref: kmeleon.plugins.adblock.load=false
3) AdblockPlus:
no menu, no buttons, nothing to be found in GUI
Only chance: user has been told to manually type into urlbar "about:addons"
(and there of course no hint there are 2 more adblock tools)
Origin: xpi-addon in extensions folder
config files: /profile/adblockplus (copied from default profile)
Default: enabled without asking
pref: extensions.adblockplus.enabled=false
Lots of GUI stuff to fix yet...
PS:
At FIRST RUN number-2 asks: "New plugin found: adblock. Enable"?
When I click yes, two tabs in kmpref-sheets (at GUI+JS) are broken immediately.
And remain broken until some day I disable it again in F2-kmplugins
(or clear startupCache, but users need experience to know this, and also very unusual at first run already)
No one else??
PS2: a bug tracker would be very handy.
The one in the left bar here stops already at "76b4"
Edit: this thread was split, the general Adblock stuff to be continued here:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?1,144196
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/26/2017 09:40PM by siria.
PS3:
version.ini still declares Goanna as another tiny iteration of KM76-GECKO :-/
17104933 => 1.5.0025 => KM 1.5
17170436 => 1.6.0004 => KM 1.6beta +1.7alpha
- - - - (jump from gecko 1.9.2 to gecko ESR24) - - - -
33554436 => 2.0.0004 => KM 74 B
33554450 => 2.0.0012 => KM 74 final
- - - - (gecko ESR31.x) - - - -
33619975 => 2.1.0007 => KM 75.0 final
33685507 => 2.2.0003 => KM 75.1 alphabeta
33685509 => 2.2.0005 => KM 75.1 final
- - - - (gecko ESR38) - - - -
33751044 => 2.3.0004 => KM 76b3u1, 76b3u2
33751045 => 2.3.0005 => KM 76RC1 up1
33751046 => 2.3.0006 => KM 76RC1 up2 + Goanna first testbuilds
33751047 => 2.3.0007 => KM 76RC2
33751048 => 2.3.0008 => Goanna official "weeklies" 1+2
- - - - (jump from Gecko-38 to Goanna) - - - -
3.0.0000 => Goanna alpha :cool:
Doriaaaan...?
[_check_]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2018 10:25PM by siria.
...has all but resigned from this project. With all due respect for Dorian, it is roytam1 you should talk to in the future.
Regarding the version numbers, I agree. roytam1 could have raised it for better differentiation. But still you should realize that this is pre-release stage. It is not THAT important to have a version number just now. I am not a fan of the weekly releases to be honest. As long as this only occurs in pre-release stage, fine. But when it comes to final releases I believe fewer builds would do. Best would be to sync their occurence with the Pale Moon releases, as the changelog would also qualify for K-Meleon then and a better order of releases could be achieved.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2017 11:30PM by Pale as the Moon.
LOL!
Oops, ABP is not intended to be included in the release 7z.
for bug/issue tracker, we can use the github issue page:
https://github.com/roytam1/kmeleon/issues
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 12:28AM by roytam1.
But I'm not the fan of stable release! (Unless upstream stopped working on it)
If upstream keeps updating engine, I can't see a reason NOT to update it.
@Pale as the Moon
Indeed, what could be bad? In fact, in global view, changes only one file (xul.dll). For me, it is very convenient for update an already configured version of its Assembly (replacement only one file). No one is forcing to upgrade. On contrary, I must say thanks for latest version of engine.
@siria
Honestly, don't see point in excessive attention to version number. With minimal edits, scripts can be run on current version. In other cases, I think those who uses own design, it is able to change them. But if not, I don't think it will help them.
Integration, as I can see, has not changed since KM74. As and management of minimal built-in AdBlock (by Dorian). At least, I do not have problems with output of control elements.
As an example http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253,143981#msg-143981 .
Yes, need scripts, but it's pretty standard way (this is a feature of interface organization).
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 03:13AM by hermes.
Make sure you didn't miss something: Help\About K-Meleon
I do not want to use AdblockPlus ... or any Adblock. I don't know enough about it and if it really works or blocks things it shouldn't.
Thanks siria for all the 'clues' and 'hints' of where to look. I have looked around and I don't seem to have it installed anywhere. It probably would be nice to be able to turn it 'off' and 'on' as needed.
I am using the latest KM76 update by roytam1 and when I go to 'about:addons' I see no mention of it. I am not sure but I must have said 'no' when that popup box first appeared.
AdblockPlus may be a good thing to have installed but as I said earlier, I don't know enough about it and if it really works.
Maybe others here can enlighten me and tell me for sure if it does work.
...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 09:42AM by callahan.
Surely, it works! Even with 'light' subscription.
Thanks rodocop for the information. I am not sure what you mean when you say "light subscription".
Is that what is installed in KM 76Pro or KM 76 ?
I probably will use it then.
...
'Light subscription' is a small set of blocking rules (mostly regexp'ed) included in the ABP package for KM, prepared by me (package, not the ruleset).
Yes, it's already preinstalled in Pro-build.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 11:08AM by rodocop.
Normally, not only xul.dll. omni.ja is recompiled with newer js engine as well.
I hope this was not directed at me, siria. Because I don't know what was so funny about the things I have written above.
Dorian has obviously resigned. He hasn't published any build (not even alpha/beta ones) in a year time. His only message for the last 11 months has been the one where he stated that he is glad roytam1 is now developing the browser and hopes that his(!) build will become the official one.
The sheer number of releases becomes annoying over time, trust me. Also, one totally loses the ability to know and support all those releases. I do not intend to do weekly updates, as it is not that useful. Look at the changelog of your release from December 23rd, 2017. Is that really worth a new release? There is a reason why the Pale Moon teams waits until a new release makes sense. Whatever, do as you please. I won't update it weekly.
I'm not forcing anyone to update binaries weekly.
I'm just providing new binaries weekly.
If anyone having issues with old build, then please try updating it to latest binary first to see if it is fixed.
I happen to like the weekly updates from roytam1 ... or whenever they might be released. It works for me as I see K-Meleon getting better with each build.
It doesn't seem to be a big deal ... whenever a person downloads an update, they should have the latest good working copy of K-Meleon.
Also, with the weekly updates ... doesn't it make it possible to discover a problem easier and fix it ... instead of having an update every two or three months and having several things to fix or figure out.
I am for weekly or whenever you release a newer build.
...
This is K-Meleon, not Firefox.
We're used to gaps between new versions and their bugfixes of about a year or two - or four... The prospect of getting direly needed BUGFIX-Updates weekly doesn't exactly annoy the regulars here :cool:
And it's not even also direly needed GUI-updates for gecko functions that started already working many years ago and still have no GUI yet in KM, no, so far it's even just bugfixes of the engine inside.
This is something completely different from the Mozilla release-craze who introduce or KILL Features all the time, e.g. breaking addons as they please and forcing enourmous amount of update efforts for others.
Have just split this topic in 2 threads, it got way too much and too long offtopic
@hermes
Your reminder of your RAM improvement stuff etc. still makes sense here, perhaps you can simply copy it over again into here?
Then again: or perhaps make it an own topic completely??
Don't know...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/26/2017 08:47PM by siria.
Copied back here again after thread-split:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?1,144196
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Posted by: Kamaleón
Date: December 26, 2017 11:14AM
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Posted by: roytam1
Date: December 26, 2017 01:35PM
You can always overriding it in about:config general.useragent.override entry.[/quote]
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OK now continue posting here about Goanna ;-)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/26/2017 08:51PM by siria.
I agree @Siria, a right control of version number could be very helpful for the future.
Good point, callahan. The only thing I really have a problem with is the ridiculous version inflation. We are inevitably going to lose our overall view. Maybe it would be possible to do weekly builds, but then to condense them into a few main builds (perhaps mirroring the Pale Moon releases)? Would this make sense? Anyway, good point. Didn't think about that.
I like the more updates as possible because each update is a newest thing solved, mainly if there is a good version control work behind of what's merged inside each one of them. Anyway, I don't understand you on this reasoning because you first claimed against the lack of updating and now you are claiming against the high number of updates. So what? For me the addition of the compilation date separated by a point (period) at year date is more than enough to know what it includes, mostly if a good changelog work is being done, naming each release like KMeleon 17.1223 (this is how I store all versions).
By the way, github version is 17.1215 and @roytam1 site is 17.1223.
https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/KM-Goanna-20171223.7z
https://github.com/roytam1/kmeleon/releases/download/e2867829/KM-Goanna-20171215.7z
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2017 12:23PM by J.G..
because uploading to github is slow while copying 7z to my local server is fast.
@Roytam1 thanks for your good work!
I propose also to edit Wikipedia articles to include latest development of K-Meleon Goanna by @Roytam1, mainly to keep updated the history in some way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-Meleon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goanna_(software)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browser_engines
Building K-Meleon on top of the Goanna engine
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171215)
Posted by:
Anixx
Date: December 23, 2017 02:03PM
Hmmm but I have SSE2. That's why I passed that link with little attention. Are the standard dlls buggy?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/23/2017 02:14PM by Anixx.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171215)
Posted by:
roytam1
Date: December 23, 2017 03:03PM
Quote
Anixx
Hmmm but I have SSE2. That's why I passed that link with little attention. Are the standard dlls buggy?
if your system is > XP and you have no av*.dll in K-Meleon.exe's folder, you're using system codec, which may be buggy with some stream.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171215)
Posted by:
siria
Date: December 23, 2017 03:08PM
Thanks for all the updates and fixes roytam! Much needed.
Must be an awful lot of work, and have seen at the MSFN forum that you're even parallel working on other XP-browsers too at the same time, incredible.
Quote
Anixx
Hmmm but I have SSE2. That's why I passed that link with little attention. Are the standard dlls buggy?
Noticed only now that there are actually 3 different LAV-downloads linked in the first post. But all in 1 line, that makes it look like it were only one plus comments. Should be made easier recognizable.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171215)
Posted by:
rodocop
Date: December 23, 2017 09:10PM
Quote
siria
Noticed only now that there are actually 3 different LAV-downloads linked in the first post. But all in 1 line, that makes it look like it were only one plus comments. Should be made easier recognizable.
Those 3 differ in compatibility.
First download is for modern SSE2-abled systems
Second is SSE2-independent.
Third is for extremely outdated old systems.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171215)
Posted by:
hermes
Date: December 24, 2017 08:42AM
@roytam1
Thanks for stable update! I wishes you happy holidays! And happy holidays to all)))
Quote
rodocop
Third is for extremely outdated old systems.
Not only. If people are confused, and questions continue to arise, I think it is Important to stress that so-called "old" DLL ( https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav-dll-lite-noasm.7z ) works on any hardware (yes not the most optimal way, but it is working and stable). And so-called "new"
( https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav.7z ) do not work on all CPU (requires SSE2).
As a compromise, you can use LAV filters version of 0.69 (requires only SSE,
https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFilters/releases/download/0.69/LAVFilters-0.69-x86.zip ).
...
Can be at least DLL with SSE (without SSE2 earlier https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav-mmx.7z , now https://o.rthost.win/palemoon/lav-dll-lite-mmx.7z ), although I would recommend without optimizing instructions (see tests:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253,143555#msg-143555
and
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253,143504#msg-143504 )
to include in a basic supply by default? For people, not reading entire conference, would be helpful.
And questions will be less : )
Quote
roytam1
Quote
Anixx
Is any auto-update planned?Quote
New regular/weekly KM-Goanna release:
no, I'd rather prefer updating files manually.
But if anyone want to write downloader/updater, please go ahead.
Automatic update is evil : )
They are harmful for stable configurations. And reason is often laziness of end user.
@Anixx
If you really want it, you can easily write a batch script with wget and https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/ as URL (yes, in Windows and will not have problems with HTTPs). Then using a macro, load it (each time you start the browser). If there are problems with local parsing of pages, you can use cURL.
If you need to decompress, almost any archiver utility supports command line (7-zip, as example).
And that's all. You can even use scheduler in OS.
Edited 13 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2017 05:04PM by hermes.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171215)
Posted by:
Anixx
Date: December 24, 2017 03:23PM
I think this build should be made official.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / 3x ADBLOCK (HOWTO find)
Posted by:
siria
Date: December 24, 2017 10:51PM
Quote
roytam1
New regular/weekly KM-Goanna release:
https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/KM-Goanna-20171223.7z
Changelog:
(...)
To my surprise, AdblockPLUS is now included out-of-box too?
Wow... I know everyone requests it, am just looking through the eyes of clueless new KM users, and this makes now whopping 3 adblock tools included in KM
Can just see them thinking we're completely crazy, especially since the configuration for each one is shattered all over the (hidden) prefs or menus - but then again, no one will even be aware, instead completely confused when reading or discussing adblock questions in the forum:
1) Old css-adblock:
a) menu Tools > Privacy > Block Ads on/off (no mention which of 3)
b) F2 > Page Display > Content Filters (this edits:
config file: /profile/chrome/adblock.css (dating from 2006, lots false pos.)
Default: off
pref: kmeleon.adblocking=false
2) basic-adblock (Dorian):
F2 > KM plugins > adblock on/off (no mention which of 3)
no menu, no buttons, nothing to be found in GUI
config file: ??
Origin: kplugins > adblock.dll
Default: popup-choice at profile creation
pref: kmeleon.plugins.adblock.load=false
3) AdblockPlus:
no menu, no buttons, nothing to be found in GUI
Only chance: user has been told to manually type into urlbar "about:addons"
(and there of course no hint there are 2 more adblock tools)
Origin: xpi-addon in extensions folder
config files: /profile/adblockplus (copied from default profile)
Default: enabled without asking
pref: extensions.adblockplus.enabled=false
Lots of GUI stuff to fix yet...
PS:
At FIRST RUN number-2 asks: "New plugin found: adblock. Enable"?
When I click yes, two tabs in kmpref-sheets (at GUI+JS) are broken immediately.
And remain broken until some day I disable it again in F2-kmplugins
(or clear startupCache, but users need experience to know this, and also very unusual at first run already)
No one else??
PS2: a bug tracker would be very handy.
The one in the left bar here stops already at "76b4"
Edit: this thread was split, the general Adblock stuff to be continued here:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?1,144196
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/26/2017 09:40PM by siria.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
siria
Date: December 24, 2017 11:05PM
PS3:
version.ini still declares Goanna as another tiny iteration of KM76-GECKO :-/
17104933 => 1.5.0025 => KM 1.5
17170436 => 1.6.0004 => KM 1.6beta +1.7alpha
- - - - (jump from gecko 1.9.2 to gecko ESR24) - - - -
33554436 => 2.0.0004 => KM 74 B
33554450 => 2.0.0012 => KM 74 final
- - - - (gecko ESR31.x) - - - -
33619975 => 2.1.0007 => KM 75.0 final
33685507 => 2.2.0003 => KM 75.1 alphabeta
33685509 => 2.2.0005 => KM 75.1 final
- - - - (gecko ESR38) - - - -
33751044 => 2.3.0004 => KM 76b3u1, 76b3u2
33751045 => 2.3.0005 => KM 76RC1 up1
33751046 => 2.3.0006 => KM 76RC1 up2 + Goanna first testbuilds
33751047 => 2.3.0007 => KM 76RC2
33751048 => 2.3.0008 => Goanna official "weeklies" 1+2
- - - - (jump from Gecko-38 to Goanna) - - - -
3.0.0000 => Goanna alpha :cool:
Doriaaaan...?
[_check_]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2018 10:25PM by siria.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
Pale as the Moon
Date: December 24, 2017 11:28PM
Quote
siria
Doriaaaan...?
...has all but resigned from this project. With all due respect for Dorian, it is roytam1 you should talk to in the future.
Regarding the version numbers, I agree. roytam1 could have raised it for better differentiation. But still you should realize that this is pre-release stage. It is not THAT important to have a version number just now. I am not a fan of the weekly releases to be honest. As long as this only occurs in pre-release stage, fine. But when it comes to final releases I believe fewer builds would do. Best would be to sync their occurence with the Pale Moon releases, as the changelog would also qualify for K-Meleon then and a better order of releases could be achieved.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2017 11:30PM by Pale as the Moon.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
siria
Date: December 24, 2017 11:53PM
LOL!
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / 3x ADBLOCK
Posted by:
roytam1
Date: December 25, 2017 12:09AM
Quote
siria
Quote
roytam1
New regular/weekly KM-Goanna release:
https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/KM-Goanna-20171223.7z
Changelog:
(...)
To my surprise, AdblockPLUS is now included out-of-box too?
Wow... I know everyone requests it, am just looking through the eyes of clueless new KM users, and this makes now whopping 3 adblock tools included in KM
1) Old css-adblock:
a) menu Tools > Privacy > Block Ads on/off (no mention which of 3)
b) F2 > Page Display > Content Filters (this edits:
config file: /profile/chrome/adblock.css (dating from 2006, lots false pos.)
Default: off
2) basic-adblock (Dorian):
F2 > KM plugins > adblock on/off (no mention which of 3)
no menu, no buttons, nothing to be found in GUI
config file: ??
Origin: kplugins > adblock.dll
Default: popup-choice at profile creation
3) AdblockPlus:
no menu, no buttons, nothing to be found in GUI
Only chance: user has been told to manually type into urlbar "about:addons"
(and there of course no hint there are 2 more adblock tools)
Origin: xpi-addon in extensions folder
config files: /profile/adblockplus (copied from default profile)
Default: enabled without asking
Lots of GUI stuff to fix yet...
PS:
At FIRST RUN number-2 asks: "New plugin found: adblock. Enable"?
When I click yes, two tabs in kmpref-sheets (at GUI+JS) are broken immediately.
And remain broken until some day I disable it again in F2-kmplugins
(or clear startupCache, but users need experience to know this, and also very unusual at first run already)
No one else??
PS2: a bug tracker would be very handy.
The one in the left bar here stops already at "76b4"
Oops, ABP is not intended to be included in the release 7z.
for bug/issue tracker, we can use the github issue page:
https://github.com/roytam1/kmeleon/issues
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 12:28AM by roytam1.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
roytam1
Date: December 25, 2017 12:13AM
Quote
Pale as the Moon
Quote
siria
Doriaaaan...?
...has all but resigned from this project. With all due respect for Dorian, it is roytam1 you should talk to in the future.
Regarding the version numbers, I agree. roytam1 could have raised it for better differentiation. But still you should realize that this is pre-release stage. It is not THAT important to have a version number just now. I am not a fan of the weekly releases to be honest. As long as this only occurs in pre-release stage, fine. But when it comes to final releases I believe fewer builds would do. Best would be to sync their occurence with the Pale Moon releases, as the changelog would also qualify for K-Meleon then and a better order of releases could be achieved.
But I'm not the fan of stable release! (Unless upstream stopped working on it)
If upstream keeps updating engine, I can't see a reason NOT to update it.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
hermes
Date: December 25, 2017 03:08AM
@Pale as the Moon
Quote
roytam1
If upstream keeps updating engine, I can't see a reason NOT to update it.
Indeed, what could be bad? In fact, in global view, changes only one file (xul.dll). For me, it is very convenient for update an already configured version of its Assembly (replacement only one file). No one is forcing to upgrade. On contrary, I must say thanks for latest version of engine.
@siria
Honestly, don't see point in excessive attention to version number. With minimal edits, scripts can be run on current version. In other cases, I think those who uses own design, it is able to change them. But if not, I don't think it will help them.
Quote
3) AdblockPlus:
no menu, no buttons, nothing to be found in GUI
Only chance: user has been told to manually type into urlbar "about:addons"
(and there of course no hint there are 2 more adblock tools)
Origin: xpi-addon in extensions folder
config files: /profile/adblockplus (copied from default profile)
Default: enabled without asking
Lots of GUI stuff to fix yet...
Integration, as I can see, has not changed since KM74. As and management of minimal built-in AdBlock (by Dorian). At least, I do not have problems with output of control elements.
As an example http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253,143981#msg-143981 .
Yes, need scripts, but it's pretty standard way (this is a feature of interface organization).
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 03:13AM by hermes.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
Yogi
Date: December 25, 2017 09:11AM
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siria
LOL!
Make sure you didn't miss something: Help\About K-Meleon
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / 3x ADBLOCK
Posted by:
callahan
Date: December 25, 2017 09:41AM
I do not want to use AdblockPlus ... or any Adblock. I don't know enough about it and if it really works or blocks things it shouldn't.
Thanks siria for all the 'clues' and 'hints' of where to look. I have looked around and I don't seem to have it installed anywhere. It probably would be nice to be able to turn it 'off' and 'on' as needed.
I am using the latest KM76 update by roytam1 and when I go to 'about:addons' I see no mention of it. I am not sure but I must have said 'no' when that popup box first appeared.
AdblockPlus may be a good thing to have installed but as I said earlier, I don't know enough about it and if it really works.
Maybe others here can enlighten me and tell me for sure if it does work.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 09:42AM by callahan.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / 3x ADBLOCK
Posted by:
rodocop
Date: December 25, 2017 09:45AM
Surely, it works! Even with 'light' subscription.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / 3x ADBLOCK
Posted by:
callahan
Date: December 25, 2017 10:49AM
Thanks rodocop for the information. I am not sure what you mean when you say "light subscription".
Is that what is installed in KM 76Pro or KM 76 ?
I probably will use it then.
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Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / 3x ADBLOCK
Posted by:
rodocop
Date: December 25, 2017 11:07AM
'Light subscription' is a small set of blocking rules (mostly regexp'ed) included in the ABP package for KM, prepared by me (package, not the ruleset).
Yes, it's already preinstalled in Pro-build.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2017 11:08AM by rodocop.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
roytam1
Date: December 25, 2017 12:14PM
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hermes
@Pale as the Moon
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roytam1
If upstream keeps updating engine, I can't see a reason NOT to update it.
Indeed, what could be bad? In fact, in global view, changes only one file (xul.dll). For me, it is very convenient for update an already configured version of its Assembly (replacement only one file). No one is forcing to upgrade. On contrary, I must say thanks for latest version of engine.
Normally, not only xul.dll. omni.ja is recompiled with newer js engine as well.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
Pale as the Moon
Date: December 25, 2017 12:39PM
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siria
LOL!
I hope this was not directed at me, siria. Because I don't know what was so funny about the things I have written above.
Dorian has obviously resigned. He hasn't published any build (not even alpha/beta ones) in a year time. His only message for the last 11 months has been the one where he stated that he is glad roytam1 is now developing the browser and hopes that his(!) build will become the official one.
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roytam1
But I'm not the fan of stable release! (Unless upstream stopped working on it)
If upstream keeps updating engine, I can't see a reason NOT to update it.
The sheer number of releases becomes annoying over time, trust me. Also, one totally loses the ability to know and support all those releases. I do not intend to do weekly updates, as it is not that useful. Look at the changelog of your release from December 23rd, 2017. Is that really worth a new release? There is a reason why the Pale Moon teams waits until a new release makes sense. Whatever, do as you please. I won't update it weekly.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
roytam1
Date: December 25, 2017 12:58PM
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Pale as the Moon
Quote
siria
LOL!
I hope this was not directed at me, siria. Because I don't know what was so funny about the things I have written above.
Dorian has obviously resigned. He hasn't published any build (not even alpha/beta ones) in a year time. His only message for the last 11 months has been the one where he stated that he is glad roytam1 is now developing the browser and hopes that his(!) build will become the official one.
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roytam1
But I'm not the fan of stable release! (Unless upstream stopped working on it)
If upstream keeps updating engine, I can't see a reason NOT to update it.
The sheer number of releases becomes annoying over time, trust me. Also, one totally loses the ability to know and support all those releases. I do not intend to do weekly updates, as it is not that useful. Look at the changelog of your release from December 23rd, 2017. Is that really worth a new release? There is a reason why the Pale Moon teams waits until a new release makes sense. Whatever, do as you please. I won't update it weekly.
I'm not forcing anyone to update binaries weekly.
I'm just providing new binaries weekly.
If anyone having issues with old build, then please try updating it to latest binary first to see if it is fixed.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
callahan
Date: December 25, 2017 01:47PM
I happen to like the weekly updates from roytam1 ... or whenever they might be released. It works for me as I see K-Meleon getting better with each build.
It doesn't seem to be a big deal ... whenever a person downloads an update, they should have the latest good working copy of K-Meleon.
Also, with the weekly updates ... doesn't it make it possible to discover a problem easier and fix it ... instead of having an update every two or three months and having several things to fix or figure out.
I am for weekly or whenever you release a newer build.
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Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
siria
Date: December 25, 2017 02:12PM
This is K-Meleon, not Firefox.
We're used to gaps between new versions and their bugfixes of about a year or two - or four... The prospect of getting direly needed BUGFIX-Updates weekly doesn't exactly annoy the regulars here :cool:
And it's not even also direly needed GUI-updates for gecko functions that started already working many years ago and still have no GUI yet in KM, no, so far it's even just bugfixes of the engine inside.
This is something completely different from the Mozilla release-craze who introduce or KILL Features all the time, e.g. breaking addons as they please and forcing enourmous amount of update efforts for others.
Re: [TEST] KM76-Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / SPLIT
Posted by:
siria
Date: December 26, 2017 08:07PM
Have just split this topic in 2 threads, it got way too much and too long offtopic
@hermes
Your reminder of your RAM improvement stuff etc. still makes sense here, perhaps you can simply copy it over again into here?
Then again: or perhaps make it an own topic completely??
Don't know...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/26/2017 08:47PM by siria.
Re: [TEST] KM76-Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / UserAgent
Posted by:
siria
Date: December 26, 2017 08:18PM
Copied back here again after thread-split:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?1,144196
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Posted by: Kamaleón
Date: December 26, 2017 11:14AM
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Kamaleón
Hi there,
If Goanna based K-Meleon's user agent string is:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/3.4 Firefox/52.9 K-Meleon/76.0
then I would like to suggest a chance to:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.9) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.9 Goanna/3.4 K-Meleon/76.0
as some websites look for Gecko/20100101 next to Firefox/xx.x.
Best regards.
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Posted by: roytam1
Date: December 26, 2017 01:35PM
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Kamaleón
If Goanna based K-Meleon's user agent string is:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/3.4 Firefox/52.9 K-Meleon/76.0
then I would like to suggest a chance to:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.9) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.9 Goanna/3.4 K-Meleon/76.0
as some websites look for Gecko/20100101 next to Firefox/xx.x.
You can always overriding it in about:config general.useragent.override entry.[/quote]
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OK now continue posting here about Goanna ;-)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/26/2017 08:51PM by siria.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
J.G.
Date: December 26, 2017 09:33PM
Quote
hermes
(...)
Honestly, don't see point in excessive attention to version number. With minimal edits, scripts can be run on current version. In other cases, I think those who uses own design, it is able to change them. But if not, I don't think it will help them.
(...)
I agree @Siria, a right control of version number could be very helpful for the future.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
Pale as the Moon
Date: December 27, 2017 10:17AM
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callahan
I happen to like the weekly updates from roytam1 ... or whenever they might be released. It works for me as I see K-Meleon getting better with each build.
It doesn't seem to be a big deal ... whenever a person downloads an update, they should have the latest good working copy of K-Meleon.
Also, with the weekly updates ... doesn't it make it possible to discover a problem easier and fix it ... instead of having an update every two or three months and having several things to fix or figure out.
I am for weekly or whenever you release a newer build.
...
Good point, callahan. The only thing I really have a problem with is the ridiculous version inflation. We are inevitably going to lose our overall view. Maybe it would be possible to do weekly builds, but then to condense them into a few main builds (perhaps mirroring the Pale Moon releases)? Would this make sense? Anyway, good point. Didn't think about that.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
J.G.
Date: December 27, 2017 12:15PM
Quote
Pale as the Moon
(...)
Good point, callahan. The only thing I really have a problem with is the ridiculous version inflation. We are inevitably going to lose our overall view. Maybe it would be possible to do weekly builds, but then to condense them into a few main builds (perhaps mirroring the Pale Moon releases)? Would this make sense? Anyway, good point. Didn't think about that.
I like the more updates as possible because each update is a newest thing solved, mainly if there is a good version control work behind of what's merged inside each one of them. Anyway, I don't understand you on this reasoning because you first claimed against the lack of updating and now you are claiming against the high number of updates. So what? For me the addition of the compilation date separated by a point (period) at year date is more than enough to know what it includes, mostly if a good changelog work is being done, naming each release like KMeleon 17.1223 (this is how I store all versions).
By the way, github version is 17.1215 and @roytam1 site is 17.1223.
https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/KM-Goanna-20171223.7z
https://github.com/roytam1/kmeleon/releases/download/e2867829/KM-Goanna-20171215.7z
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2017 12:23PM by J.G..
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
roytam1
Date: December 27, 2017 01:02PM
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J.G.
Quote
Pale as the Moon
(...)
Good point, callahan. The only thing I really have a problem with is the ridiculous version inflation. We are inevitably going to lose our overall view. Maybe it would be possible to do weekly builds, but then to condense them into a few main builds (perhaps mirroring the Pale Moon releases)? Would this make sense? Anyway, good point. Didn't think about that.
I like the more updates as possible because each update is a newest thing solved, mainly if there is a good version control work behind of what's merged inside each one of them. Anyway, I don't understand you on this reasoning because you first claimed against the lack of updating and now you are claiming against the high number of updates. So what? For me the addition of the compilation date separated by a point (period) at year date is more than enough to know what it includes, mostly if a good changelog work is being done, naming each release like KMeleon 17.1223 (this is how I store all versions).
By the way, github version is 17.1215 and @roytam1 site is 17.1223.
https://o.rthost.win/kmeleon/KM-Goanna-20171223.7z
https://github.com/roytam1/kmeleon/releases/download/e2867829/KM-Goanna-20171215.7z
because uploading to github is slow while copying 7z to my local server is fast.
Re: [TEST BUILD] K-Meleon 76 on Goanna 3.4.1 (Build 20171223) / weekly-2
Posted by:
J.G.
Date: December 27, 2017 01:54PM
@Roytam1 thanks for your good work!
I propose also to edit Wikipedia articles to include latest development of K-Meleon Goanna by @Roytam1, mainly to keep updated the history in some way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-Meleon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goanna_(software)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browser_engines
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