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K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: hermes
Date: January 06, 2018 04:56PM

This topic is partially covered, some places were vague. However, Win2K is a great system and lack of information needs to be filled, isn't it?
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I will try to complement the missing and offer a complete solution.

Probably, many have heard, and some even installed KernelEx for Windows 2000. Those who have studied the subject know: that most of necessary updates and patches for this project in Chinese or on Japanese languages. This is partly a problem, because Windows then must also be the corresponding localization.

Was a good article: http://toastytech.com/files/95browsing.html , this article in combination with experiments roytam1 on his virtual machine (while debugging no SSE solutions), motivated me to start my own experiments in this area.

First of all, it turned out that it is very, very difficult to find these required updates for the installer, especially (at least) just on English. After all, to use the English system (in general case) most simpler than localized in a foreign language. Lot of time has passed and a lot has been unavailable. Part has been removed by self efforts of Microsoft. But this is understandable, marketing and etc.

Partially digging in archives, partly digging half of all Internet, but as result: successfully collected this kit (with current 2000 kernel ex from summer of this year, i.e. from past summer 2017th : ).

And since to search, on all network, entertainment below average, has decided to lay out here.

I'm sure there are people who can use it. Because the netbook with 2K works very smartly! smiling smiley
And for virtual machines is useful. In General, a must-have!

For tests I created a virtual machine with 64 MB of RAM. And since "just" 2K PRO is bored already, was chosen Dataсenter 2K Server SP4. For extended kernel needs SP4, there already is no options. The system needs to be English (in case of Dataсenter is already by default).

The process I recorded on video for those interested (very compact, ~990 KB):
(direct link) https://getfile.dokpub.com/yandex/get/https://yadi.sk/d/eSMaKhRf3RDKxp
Video 640x480, duration ~10 minutes. Here is sequence of actions to run current KM on Win2K.

In addition, here shows a little trick to support of cyrillic characters, but if you knowing your code page, you can use any language (as all languages contain support for English).

Link to full set, for all 2K family (how to use it see in video, all shown in detail): (~103 MB).
(direct link) https://getfile.dokpub.com/yandex/get/https://yadi.sk/d/5D1LSc0k3RDLen

You can also use the MUI, for your language, he is able to change workstation (as 2K PRO), but not server edition. For Russian forum, I have prepared a compact version of MUI (around 30 MB). But I have files for all released languages (CHS, CHT, ES, FR, GER, IT, JPN, KOR, NL, SV, ARA, BR, CS, DA, EL, FI, HEB, HU, NO, PL, PT, RU, TR).

If you need, you can ask, I can prepare a compact language sets.



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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: hermes
Date: January 06, 2018 05:37PM

After all, it's not for one K-MELEON is useful. This kit will help run PaleMoon and Basilisk on Win2K. And bunch of different programs (with direct hands, many version of .NET framework and etc).

After all, there are no actual browsers under 2K. And K-MELEON here definitely has an advantage. Even not optimized (fully default) version of Windows 2000 can confidently launch K-MELEON when only 20 MB of RAM!

Let me remind, according to my tests, even an extremely optimized version of XP simply does not load with this amount of RAM. After a long optimization, the minimum amount of RAM for using KM with XP is 28 MB. Even at 27 MB of RAM optimized XP does not load (with an even stronger optimisation, network functions become unavailable, which no makes sense in context of browser). And simply unoptimized 2K with 20 MB of RAM can confidently load KM!
But I'll try to optimize it .



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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: J.G.
Date: January 07, 2018 07:37AM

Thank you @hermes, your work is very valuable. smiling smiley

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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: guenter
Date: January 07, 2018 08:46AM

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hermes
Let me remind, according to my tests, even an extremely optimized version of XP simply does not load with this amount of RAM. After a long optimization, the minimum amount of RAM for using KM with XP is 28 MB.

I used nlite to optimize XP and am sure that a Pentium III 500 128 MB RAM on a 2 GB FAT 32 formatted Disk is totally sufficiant to use K-Meleon on XP.

In fact with these specs K-Meleon 1.6 was by far the best and fastest browser. Current versions of K-Meleon have no more resource need then during that time except for prefetching and speculative JS executipon which can be switched off.

And a package to run on Win 2000 is good for running a current browser on my oldest Laptop. A backup machine rarely used today.




roytam1's test version http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253 - is my current fad.



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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: hermes
Date: January 07, 2018 06:00PM

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guenter
I used nlite to optimize XP

nlite site http://www.nliteos.com/ , your link for ntlite (for 7+).
Another great program: xplite / 2000lite / 98lite: http://www.litepc.com/



It is ideal to use them together smiling smiley.
Also for extreme optimization it is important to use a distribution for embedded systems.



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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: guenter
Date: January 07, 2018 11:00PM

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hermes
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guenter
I used nlite to optimize XP

nlite site http://www.nliteos.com/ , your link for ntlite (for 7+).
Another great program: xplite / 2000lite / 98lite: http://www.litepc.com/



It is ideal to use them together smiling smiley.
Also for extreme optimization it is important to use a distribution for embedded systems.

Our links are too the same nlite. Scroll further down with mine IMHO.

I know the later page - I used 98lite to optimize my Windows ME. But nothing newer.

The distro embed did not work for me when I tried. I have XP Pro.




roytam1's test version http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253 - is my current fad.



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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: hermes
Date: January 08, 2018 12:12AM

I mean Windows XP for Embedded Systems and variant of Windows XP Embedded called Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs. This is not an ordinary, but very useful systems.

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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: guenter
Date: January 08, 2018 02:30PM

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hermes
I mean Windows XP for Embedded Systems and variant of Windows XP Embedded called Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs. This is not an ordinary, but very useful systems.

Only tried the later and it did not work.




roytam1's test version http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,143253 - is my current fad.



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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: hermes
Date: January 08, 2018 03:25PM

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guenter
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hermes
I mean Windows XP for Embedded Systems and variant of Windows XP Embedded called Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs. This is not an ordinary, but very useful systems.

Only tried the later and it did not work.

I'm just wondering, what exactly did not work there? If you are interested, later I can prepare an iso image based on Windows Embedded Fundamentals for Legacy PCs edition.



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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: smallhagrid
Date: January 13, 2018 09:02PM

Absolutely Fascinating - Thanks for Your Works Hermes !!

I think from what I see here that this may open the door for more future uses of Win2kPro for me.

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but if Win2kPro SP4 is able to take on the newer dot net (I call it dot krap, sorry !!) stuff, then it is also likely to do most or even all that XP SP3 can do - yes ??

If that is a correct guess - then this opens the door for some very good things.

Thanks Again !!!

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Re: K-MELEON v.7x+ supports for Windows 2000 (workstation / server) with SP4
Posted by: hermes
Date: January 13, 2018 09:45PM

@smallhagrid

Almost. Many things can work, but not all. However, more than enough. And OS can be used in a virtual machine. Directly, for example, no support for WPA2 on Wi-fi. And with Wi-fi there are certain difficulties. If you use wired the router no problem (he knows all that is needed).

If you watched the suggested video, there is even support for Directx 10 api (point in configurator). A lot can be run. A lot can be tweaked to run. For example, you can do what .NET v4 will work without actually installing the distro (but that's a topic for another article).
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Multiply this on the fact that server editions (in particular datacenter) can address more than 4Gb of RAM (datacenter up to 32 GB of RAM) still remaining x86 (with PAE).

However, if resources are available, I recommend to use 2K3 (more stable).
My primary OS is 2K3 DC SP2 x86. And I use this OS without any problems more than 10 years. And in virtual machines, you can easy run even Windows 10 / Server 2016 (if you need specific software under a new OS or for other operating systems).

Useful links:
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/aa366778#physical_memory_limits_windows_server_2003_sp2
and
http://www.sgvulcan.com/2010/01/16/memory-limits-of-various-windows-versions/



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