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You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: Pi$$ed OFF
Date: October 29, 2001 10:57AM

You're supposed to copy & add to kmeleon bookmarks.

I installed kmeleon and then when tried kmeleon for the 1st time and saw how bad and slow it was I closed it to run Netscape...

Only to find most of my bookmark toolbar destroyed... only folders remain and inside the folders 1000's (LITERALLY) of bookmark sites have been deleted.

I did a crtl-b to check if it had moved stuff around, but it had not just moved stuff BUT DELETED 1000's of BOOKMARKS.

YES THOUSANDS!!!

You are not supposed to @!#$ WTTH FILES... YOU SUCK!!

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Re: You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: Fulvio Perini
Date: October 29, 2001 08:29PM

I had posted earlier about problems having K-meleon.I am sorry to hear about your problems,and they arre much than mine.All it happened to me,that I noticed so far,has been the disappearance of my Personal Toolbar.Fortunately the toolbar is in the Bookmarks.And the Personal Bookmarks are in a toolbar in K-meleon,but they cannot be managed.
I saw of so many people raving about K-meleon,and I wanted to try it,but there is something basically wrong with it.

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Re: You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: Fulvio Perini
Date: October 29, 2001 08:31PM

An addition.I had to sacrify a Mozilla daily,but on this computer,it was Netscape6.1 which got messed up.

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Re: You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: Brian
Date: October 30, 2001 12:45AM

I deleted my own bookmarks before. But I keep backups.

I completely rewrote the bookmarks plugin a few weeks ago. In the next version of k-meleon, it will be completely non-destructive.

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Re: You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: EG
Date: October 30, 2001 03:53PM

"In the next version of k-meleon, it will be completely non-destructive."

How eerily similar to the uninstalling-K-Meleon-disables-IE bug -- another case of K-Meleon's overstepping its proper bounds.

"First, do no harm"!

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Re: You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: Brian
Date: October 30, 2001 06:22PM

neither of which were done on purpose.

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Re: You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: EG
Date: October 30, 2001 09:43PM

Sorry, I don't doubt that for a moment. . . but, although it's clearly not the same magnitude of loss as having thousands of bookmarks disappear, I'd sure like my IE back, problem child though it was.

Actually, my primary browser (can I say this here? <g>) is Opera -- which, after many upgrades, seems to have managed to avoid messing up anything else on my PC.

Destructive software -- both intentional and unintentional -- is a Microsoft tradition, after all, and surely you folks are better than that!

Regards,
eg

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Re: You Destroyed 1000's Of My Netscape Bookmarks
Posted by: Brian
Date: October 30, 2001 10:23PM

We do the best we can. Those 2 bugs are mainly the result of lack of sufficient testing. You must remember, this is beta software (and opensource at that, which means no one wants to test it thourougly). Me and Jeff fix bugs as they come in, but can you really blame us for a bug that we didn't know about?

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Bug stings
Posted by: EG
Date: October 31, 2001 02:36PM

No, not really. Bugs happen, to paraphrase somebody. But, as mentioned in another thread, I'd still really appreciate any ideas on how (easily, without a re-install) to get IE back!

When I uninstalled 0.5 prior to installing 0.6, I noticed that the last "Deleted file" in the list was "...\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\..." -- and at that point,unfortunately, the text ran into the right side of the dialog box, which of course was not resizeable. The point being that it seemed to be deleting, or trying to delete, some file that I would naively have considered off-limits to anything but IE itself. Any idea what it was and whether this might relate to the problem at hand?

Thanks again,
eg

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Re: Bug stings
Posted by: Pi$$ed OFF
Date: November 09, 2001 09:07PM

What a f$%cking copout Brian... Not enough testing, Beta software... BULLSHIT!!

I am a very rational, patient and intelligent person and while I may swear a lot here in this posting I believe I have just cause.

You can't say deletion of bookmarks and just leaving empty folders in the bookmark files an error.

An error would be if they weren't copied into kmeleon correctly.

I believe you DELIBERATELY set out to DESTROY BOOKMARKS so that once people started using kmeleon they would have less chance of effectively returning to their previous browsers due to missing important bookmarks.

You only needed to copy the bookmark files and then play with them in your own directory OR simply open the file in READ ONLY.

You did not copy the file... You OPENED it in READ+WRITE MODE... You copied over the URLs from the bookmark files THEN DELETED them in the original files...

I believe BLATENTLY... Only mistake you made was not also deleting the folders to make it look like you thought you were using a copied file... But if you had a bug and thought it a copied file you would've also deleted this file after the importation of bookmarks.

Lets pretend for a moment that this was a bug,(NOT LIKELY).

Lack of testing is BULLSHIT in that one of your KEY CONS for getting people to try Kmeleon is your saying

"HEY We can import your bookmarks for use with Kmeleon"...

Being a key feature it would have been tested... Please don't pretend otherwise.

Beta software is supposed to be buggy... But it's only supposed when a browser like this to be buggy and make mistakes in writing or reading in it's own directory or to files it owns... And of course to memory and allow Windows to crash.

That's buggy beta browser software.

But a simple import of bookmarks... THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TESTED Thoroughly... LESS COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT... IS BEYOND EXCUSE!!!

There were no warnings to users that you may completely f$%ckup their browsers... ELSE do you really think we would have even THOUGHT to try your software.

I believe this act deliberate...

If a Crappy SLACKASS piece of code writing then to have BEEN KNOWN ABOUT... Cept you didn't wish to inform us NOR fix it.

YOU HAVE NO EXCUSES... ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU DID

PUT A NOTICE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF YOUR WEBSITE ABOUT BOOKMARK & OTHER FILE DESTRUCTION ON INSTALLATION.

AND ALSO PUT THIS DISTRUCTION NOTICE ON A WARNING PAGE BEFORE THE INSTALL OF THE KMELEON PROGRAM.

Less you prove what you did DELIBERATE!!!!!

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Re: Bug stings
Posted by: D'Sphitz
Date: November 13, 2001 09:05PM

ok mr all-knowing Pi$$ed OFF why don't you take a look at the source and find the malicious code so you can string these guys up?

yeah, im sure these guys would intentionally @!#$ up peoples computers with OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE!
moron

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Re: Bug stings
Posted by: Andrew
Date: November 13, 2001 09:34PM

Conspiracy theories anyone?

I love this quote:

" I believe you DELIBERATELY set out to DESTROY BOOKMARKS so that once people started using kmeleon they would have less chance of effectively returning to their previous browsers due to missing important bookmarks."

Uhh....why? What does anyone stand to gain by keeping you from going back to your crappy old browser?! If you don't use K-Meleon, it's no skin off the back of anyone here. We aren't getting paid or otherwise compensated for its use. It's not like we are Bill Gates running a monopoly that we have to maintain. So one less person uses K-Meleon. Big deal. No one ever forced anyone to use it in the first place. If you are going to come up with idiotic statements like that, at least use a brain cell to think it through so you don't look so clueless.

Thanks for your input,

Andrew

PS - Invest in a backup system for your computer so you can stop blaming everyone else for your failure to back up important files.

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