I have Netscape 4.79, IE 5.5, Mozilla 1.2B and K-Meleon Version 0.7 Build 700
Windoew 98 SE on a 1400Mhz AMD Athlon computer running Verion DSL

I imported Netscape bookmarks into K-M.

There were no longer any data fields, just the links. The data area are
very useful. Sometimes I note passwords or contact names or other
information on them.

When I used Netscape again, the information in the data fields had all
been deleted. The fields were there, but all were blank. Fortunately,
I had a backup.

Another problem with K-M's bookmarks is that, when accessed with the
control-B hotkey, they appear in a small box mid-screen. I want them
on the right, full height, about halfway to the center. When I reposition
the bookmark panel on the right then exit bookmarks, next time I do
Ctl-B, they are back in the center. And it is impossible to resize it
the way I like it. Annoying.

________________ Marc Stager

Marc,

We are working on fixes for the next release. Please file a bug here:

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/bugs/

with your particular problems that need to be resolved.

Thanks Andrew

I also just discovered, thanks to a helpful bit of advice from Andrew,
that the bookmarks plug-in severely slows the loading speed of KM.

Looking forward to the next round.

Will you be supporting Newsgroups?

Once the bookmarks are fixed and I can access newsgroups
this could become my exlusive browser.

Just speaking for myself, I don't need email services, but the ability to
link to Eudora or other third party email program would be very useful.

________________ Marc Stager

Browsers are for browsing.
Newsreaders are for reading newsgroups.

A dedicated program for each works fine for me. Marc, why do you want to do both with one program?

>>the ability to
link to Eudora or other third party email program would be very useful.
<<

What sort of linkage do you mean? You can link to external programs through macros in K-Meleon.

Klaartje wrote: Browsers are for browsing. Newsreaders are for reading newsgroups.
A dedicated program for each works fine for me. Marc, why do you want to do both with one program?

I'm used to Netscape. The ability to hit an icon at the bottom of the screen to access newsgroups, and to seamlesly jump to web links within news messages, are features that I miss in K-M. Many other users also like the integration of Outlook with IE, but
I use Eudora and Netscape. Eudora has an option to link to a browser so that any email links from a website will automatically open a new email message screen in Eudora. Very nice and useful feature.

________________ Marc Stager

I use K-meleon, Eudora and Agent. I can open K-Meleon from Eudora and Agent, and Eudora from K-Meleon. E-mail links from a website will automatically open a new email message screen in Eudora. The ability to hit an icon at the bottom of the screen to access newsgroups seems to me to be the only thing you'll have to do without, if you use K-meleon.

Why is it that you don't want to use Netscape anymore? It seems to offer you all that you need. It used to do that for me, too. But it got too bulky for this basic little system. Now I use dedicated programs and they all seem to get along.

" I'm used to Netscape. The ability to hit an icon at the bottom of the screen to access newsgroups, and to seamlesly jump to web links within news messages, are features that I miss in K-M."

So why not continue to use Netscape?

KM's very raison d'etre is compact size and speed. It's eminently suited to small, lower-powered hardware. Adding email, news, page composing and all the rest would negate that advantage. Fortunately, KM's developers aren't about to do that.

Klaartje: "Why is it that you don't want to use Netscape anymore?"

I don't dislike Netscape, at least not version 4.79. I don't like the
screen layout of later versions, but 4.79 has trouble with some
websites. I do dislike Interernet Explorer.

I really like the look of KM, and am looking forward to the finished version.

There's no reason why a news module should slow it down. There's been
no such problem wih NS 4.79. I also use Agent for binary downloads but
I prefer the simple and easily accessible format of Netscape newsgroups
for plain text.

It can be left as a user selectable option with KM if you prefer to use a
third party news program. (As I wish MS would do with IE instead
of forcing everyone to have it. )

________________ Marc Stager

Andrew,

Any progress with those bookmarks?

Thanx,
________________ Marc Stager

Marc,

I believe that we are looking at that as part of a post 0.7 update.

It would be wonderful, if a second decimal fix comes up. I, really, got tired of playing with the Bookmarks (of all kinds). But, I am watching.

Marc,
I just checked in various fixes/updates to the bookmarks plugin. One makes the edit dialog resizeable, and it saves its position and size when closed. Another eliminates (I believe) the slowdown issue you're seeing. I think the problem is that your toolbar folder is set to the main bookmarks folder, so it's loading a large number of bookmarks into the folder. To speed things up, make a separate folder for the toolbar and limit the number of items in it. Only so many can fit on the screen, anyway. The fix I checked in just automatically limits the number of items in the toolbar.

In Netscape 4.79, the bookmarks panel can be positioned and sized as Ilike it
and it stays there each time I run Netscape. With the Control-D hotkey I can
add the URL I'm viewing to the list of bookmarks. Control-B brings up the
bookmarks. It works just fine. I do not like the screen-space wasting display
of NS 6 and later, or Mozzila.

That's all I'm asking of K-Meleon. Nothing less, nothing more. I prefer the look
and the updated HTML compatibility of K-M, so if its bookmarks could
function in this fashion, I'd jump ship from Netscape in a New York minute.*

As to the various fixes/updates to the bookmarks plugin that you mention,
Mark, do any of these do what I described? I haven't been able to find them.
Where are they, exactly?

Thanks.
________________ Marc Stager
* equal to 60 New York seconds

I'm sorry, I just meant that I had checked the changes into CVS -- the repository for K-Meleon's source code. At this point, they're only available to people who can compile the code themselves, but they will be included in the next public release, assuming they don't have any major problems.

Like I said, one of the changes makes the bookmarks dialog resizable, and its size and location are saved. The interface is the same, though - I'm not sure if that's the "screen-wasting display" you're talking about.

By the way, were you able to fix the slowdown issue? If it wasn't clear, you just need to set the toolbar folder to a folder with fewer items in it. Right-click on any folder and select "Set as Toolbar Folder" in the edit dialog. Hope that helps.

re: I'm not sure if that's the "screen-wasting display" you're talking about.

Mark, I want maximum viewing area, minimum intrusion from menus.

Here's a split-screen JPG comparing K-M and Mozilla:
http://marc.stager.com/misc/screen.jpg

View full screen to see what I mean.

I would even go further and place the "file/edit/view" menu to the right of the URL
address making that a single line up top. I prefer text, don't want no steenkeeng graphics.

I like Mozilla better at the bottom of the screen. K-M could trim that border on the bottom. It's not needed.

BTW I was experimenting with third party bookmarks, which is why the label
appears where it does. GUL looked promising but having to cut and paste
new entries is a nuisance. I miss the control-D hotkey.

________________ Marc Stager

Problem with scrolling the plugin. Conditions: 1152 x 864 display, Win2kPro Sp3.

1. Go to bookmarks->config and set Menu Spillover Length to Height of Screen.

2. Add ^lots^ of folders, so the displayed items are much larger than the height of the screen. (NOTE: I had this problem with a screen full of folders. It may also happen with a screen full of bookmarks, but I have not tried that.)

3. Click Bookmarks, then click the scroll arrow at the bottom of the menu to scroll it up. Select a folder and bookmark, or click off the menu (doesn't matter).

4. Click Bookmarks again. The menu will be where you left it after scrolling, not at the beginning.

5. Try to click the top scroll arrow or select any menu item (Config, Add, Edit) at the top of the menu. It can't be done. You can't select any bookmarks menu item which is located over the meun bar or title bar.

6. The only way to get menu function back is to close and restart the browser.

7. Problem does not seem to occur if the Menu Spillover Length is ^not^ set to Height of Screen.

Thank you.

Sorry, forgot to mention: Version 0.7, build 700.

David,

Please file a bug on that here:

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/bugs/