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[Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 16, 2005 10:00AM

Dear friends,
This is the KM 0.9 with the latest Gecko 1.8b2. I'm using bleading Dorian's K-Meleon.exe which uses XUL download instead of K-Meleon's built-in one. Take a look and try it. Thanks for Dorian's great work!

Download address:
http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~haojng/K-MeleonCCF0.03Alpha1.exe

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 16, 2005 10:07AM

There are still some bugs around in this exe. Please help to try and test it.

BTW, Guenter, we can probably consider making W-B update now.

Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 16, 2005 10:11AM

Forgot to mention, this build needs mfc71.dll, msvcp71.dll and msvcr71.dll

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 16, 2005 10:28AM

we have fairly new chromes and all what it takes
except the know how to make changes in code.

what means bleading - You mean it still consumes memory? (sounds bad)
Xul based downloader sounds like we will get FF´s more flexible download dialoge
- (sounds good.)

the three dll files will be at the w-b download location.

http://www.lontronics.nl/index.php?m=0006

near the middle. or try

http://www.lontronics.nl/downloads/kmeleon/KM082+_DLL_Install.exe

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 16, 2005 10:31AM

Bleading means Bleading FAST. Sorry for confusion.

Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Fred
Date: July 16, 2005 11:12AM

Thank you both very much.
The build works very well, also with my modified configuration.
The history accelerator is still missing.
In this chrome, the history page is in "chrome://communicator/content/history/history.xul" .
An disadvantage there is, that you can't click on history links, but have to
copy them to the address bar.
I tried the chrome from 1.8b2-modified6, which is small, and has
history in the history.jar, in "chrome://history/content/history.xul".
Then I could click the links. It also contains aggreg8 already, but
flashblock is missing.
By adding "user_pref("browser.sessionhistory.max_viewers", 10);"
to prefs.js, the immediate back/forward feature can be enabled.
This makes it equal to Opera.
With the new k-meleon.exe, we have now got back all the possibilities
for further versions.
Thank you again for your important work !

Fred

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 16, 2005 11:27AM

no Fred - do not speak of me! Hao made this work alone.
we = Forum has; they are available.
mfG

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 16, 2005 11:31AM

Guenter,
My work is really trivia. Dorian modified the original 0.9 source and made this possible. We should thank for his briliant work.

Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 16, 2005 12:36PM

BTW, Guenter,
Wanna see my wedding pics?

Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 16, 2005 01:07PM

sure - mail or home page?

i am downloading cygwin right now - so i will be near the pc for some time.

i asked You for some info about Your built config and setup via mail about a month ago, when will be up to current with answereing mail?
or did You loose mail while on holiday?

I think i have tried with an incomplete cygwin setup?
so i am downloading and installing the lot this time.


p. s. i am going out to the garden & back in .... i cut some keewee twigs - i also may have to cut some peach branches which hang down in front of the garage.

i will have the first tomatoes next week - the potatoes and the cherries are rubbish this year. I will have to take some potatoes out already becuase their leaves start to dry (this early! this year) so lots to do besides k-m and other pc things.

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Really love those Hao builds
Date: July 16, 2005 01:49PM

Hao,
Is there a way to disable this that's sort of like a popup which opens with
the browser? It asks you to download something. What is that for? Chinese
characters or Internat? Also does someone know how to use Internat. Can
it be turned off?
Is it possible to add metasearch to this browser?
That download page like Opera is really nifty.
You're right. This could be the fastest KM yet.
You're marvelous browsers are greatly appreciated and used by more than you know. They're always distributed to many friends. You're builds are on discs all over. P.S.Is it possible to place this and your future builds on the forum builds
list?



Guenter,
Please excuse my ignorance but what are keewee twigs? Yes I'm afraid I'm
new to gardening. What country is your garden in? Do you live in Germany?

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Drahken
Date: July 16, 2005 03:42PM

Using it now, seems good so far.
The font download popup is because KM opens the about: page on the first run, and the about: page for this version obviously uses chinese characters or has it's character set set to chinese or something like that. (I wish there was a way to tell gecko browser to shut the F~ up about the "do you want to download this font/charset" crap. There should be a "yes" option, a "not right now" option, and a "I can't read that language, so why the hell would I want to download the friggin charset for it?!" option.)
Unle Hao changes the about page in future versions, there's no way to avoid that prompt on first run, nor when going to about:. However, you can prevent it from occuring when you open the browser later simply by setting a homepage (any homepage will do, even about:blank).

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Drahken
Date: July 16, 2005 04:24PM

Now if I could just figure out how to disable the tarbet _blank "feature" in these 1.8 builds...
In all the 1.7x builds, links only open in a new layer when I tell them to. Despite copying all the settings from 1..7 over to 1.8 though, 1.8 still opens links in a new layer when the have target _blank set.

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Fred
Date: July 16, 2005 04:56PM

@ Drahken
If you want to open a "target_blank" link in a new window instead of a
layer, got to Options-->Browsing Options-->Layers and Windows.

Fred

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: ndebord
Date: July 16, 2005 05:02PM

Hao & Dorian,

Very nice build. Much appreciated. Am off to play with it now.

Tks,

N

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: mike
Date: July 16, 2005 05:08PM

Where can I download the source of this version, Hao?

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 16, 2005 05:53PM

The popup asks to download Chinese characters. From MS - they are free!
It can be a fault because i have Characters installed - and it still nagged me.
(i possibly do not have simplified Chinese? but traditional).

@Drakken: about blank: the setting is normally changed in Preferences/General
start/new window should disblay as... just set check mark to what You want.
I want blank page so i have not tried - or do You mean it does not work?

that is the user_pref("kmeleon.general.homePage", "about:"); that sets it

You can alter via user.js to

user_pref("kmeleon.general.homePage", "http://home.htp-tel.de/sterntaler/"winking smiley;

my home page for example?

You can also alter about.xhtml which is in chrome/toolkit.jar/global - so that it does not ask for Chinese any more - that is what i did - & added Hao plus Dorian as responsible for this brew ; o ) (with 1.7 chromes about.xhtml = in en-US.jar/global - so that is where You get a example without Chinese easiest)

p.s. Hannover=de (htp is Hannover telefon company, de=Germany) Keewee (i pronounce the fruit like that, when i speak German and write English. In English probably spelled differently?) - also called (possibly only?) Chinese Gooseberry in English.

A plant that climbs threes and houses and makes a green (plum sized) edible fruit with many small black seeds and hair on the skin (in Polish possibly called kiwi) - the fruits are the latest to get ripe in Hannover because the plant comes from further south. Mine do not get fruit; either because the male plant is too far away or because my plant is too young?

I am given some fruits every year from the neighbor that has his garden on the other side of the road.

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Drahken
Date: July 16, 2005 07:24PM

@fred No, no, no. I don't want it to open in a new layer NOR a new window. I want it to open in the current layer. In the 1.7x builds, I managed to achieve this effect (I just wish I knew how), and all non-javascript links open in the current layer unless -I- tell them to open in a new one. I can't get this same thing to work in the 1.8x builds though. sad smiley

@guenter
1) It's about a 6meg or more download, I'm on dialup, that means an hour or so to download something that is absolutely useless to me.
2) I can't read chinese, so why in the world would I want to waste my time installing chinese fonts?!?
3) The about:blank stuff: That's not what I'm talking about. When you put an HTML link in a page, you can set target="_blank" This has the same effect as target="new_window", or target="[ANY NAME THAT ISN'T A FRAME ON THE PAGE]". When you left click on such a link, it'll open the link in a new layer or window (depending on your settings). I don't want that.
There's a value in the about:config that you can use to disable target="new_window" (browser.block.target_new_window), but it doesn't work for target="_blank". (I've tried adding browser.block.target_blank and browser.block.target__blank, but they have no effect.)

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: TransitMan
Date: July 17, 2005 12:54AM

Hao,
When ever I click on a hyper-link to open a new page, K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1 refuses to comply.
Whenever I click on a button, like the post button beloiw, it refuses to comply.

But when I right click and get the option to open in a new tab/layer, and then click that option, it complies.

Other than that quirk, which is a biggie for me, the browser is great.

BTW, this is being posted from K-Meleon 0.9 with thw 1.7.9 upgrade.

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: bellgamin
Date: July 17, 2005 02:50AM

@ Hao & Dorian -
Oh oh oh! It is soooo great what you have done.
Thank you. Do itashimashite! Danke. Gracias. 谢谢

Bleading = Bleeding? Perhaps, I'm using bleading Dorian's K-Meleon.exe might mean: I'm using Dorian's jet-powered, blazing fast K-Meleon.exe.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzooooom!

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: TransitMan
Date: July 17, 2005 03:01AM

Hao,
I found the problem
It is in the greprefs/all.js file.
I copied one over from your CCF 0,03 build and it now works correctly.
Not sure what dialogue was involved, but with that particular file copied over the one in CCF 0.03 A1, I now have hyper-link clickability, as well as posting button capibility.
And I'm posting from the BLEEDING FAST Alpha1!

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 17, 2005 04:04AM

To Guenter,
I was kind of busy when preparing my wedding in China. So may lose your emails. Sorry about that. My buildconfig is:

mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=suite
ac_add_options --enable-application=suite

mk_add_options MOZ_OBJDIR=@TOPSRCDIR@/fb-opt-static
#ac_add_options --enable-optimize='-O2p'
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --disable-tests

#ac_add_options --enable-debug
#ac_add_options --enable-tests

#ac_add_options --enable-static
#ac_add_options --disable-shared

ac_add_options --enable-crypto

ac_add_options --enable-strip
ac_add_options --enable-strip-libs

ac_add_options --disable-ldap
ac_add_options --disable-postscript
ac_add_options --disable-jsd
ac_add_options --disable-composer
ac_add_options --disable-mathml
ac_add_options --disable-activex
ac_add_options --disable-activex-scripting
ac_add_options --disable-installer
ac_add_options --disable-xprint
ac_add_options --disable-oji
ac_add_options --disable-mailnews

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: TransitMan
Date: July 17, 2005 04:53AM

New problem Hao.

Java is not recognized, will not run at Java enabled web-sites.
It is enabled in the Preferences.

Suggestions??

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 17, 2005 04:58AM

New bugs always come afterwards. Let's see what we can improve.

Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 17, 2005 12:06PM

@Drakken try right click into layer - study what You want to change.
because i do not understand.

I did not only suggest downloading Fonts!

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 17, 2005 12:11PM

@Drakken: Tell me what you need and I can make a package of files for you. You don't need to download the whole version.

Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 17, 2005 12:12PM

BTW, guys, The new alpha2 is out already which is using 1.8b4. Let's continue our discussion in the new thread. Thank you.

Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: guenter
Date: July 17, 2005 02:23PM

@Hao he will need exe, toolkit.jar (without chinese characters in credits)
and defaults/profile
(the latter from 1.7.x because that seems that have settings he wants)
greetz

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Hao Jiang
Date: July 18, 2005 05:32AM

@Guenter
@Drakken,
I have uploaded the exe and toolkit.jar and defaults folder at here:
http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~haojng/updatealpha2.exe

Hope you will like it.

Regards,
Hao

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Re: [Thank Dorian!] K-MeleonCCF 0.03 alpha1
Posted by: Drahken
Date: July 19, 2005 09:18PM

The not opening links in new layer/window seems to be an issue with the 1.8x engine, I've posted about it at mozillazine.
Whenever I install a new version of KM, I copy over all my prefs files as well as usercontent, macrofs, menus, etc. The new installation therefore has the exact same settings that existed in the previous ones. Those settings disable that obnoxious target="about_blank" crap in all the versions of KM which use a 1.7x GRE, but they don't have any effect on any of the ones that use a 1.8x GRE (I even tried your alpha3 with GRE 1.8b4 earlier today). The pref "browser.block.target_new_window" is supposed to disbale the target="_blank" crap (which it does in all pre-1.08x GREs), but it has no effect in the 1.8x ones.
Go to http://lastknights.com and click on the "forum" link on the left. It will open in a new layer or window (depending on your settings). The pref I mentioned above should prevent it from doing that, but it doesn't. I can still middle click it to make it open in a background layer, but when I want it to open in the current layer, I'm screwed.

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