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siria
perhaps not even S2014 works well enough.
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Mikk 3th Jan 2014 04:21
Compared to 1.5.4 are till now visited web sites displayd correct but its very very slow. Additionally occur often messages about not responding (or defect) scripts which I can stop.
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Mikk
One question: Did you install perheaps any inofficial SP or other inofficial updates except of the KernellEx on your 98SE any time?
Another range of my noobness: What is the meaning of Javascript? I know only it's a script language and people say it should be for better security deactivated. But it must have any purpose why it is contained in the browsers. I read somhere Mozilla wants even to eliminate the possibility to deactivate it in the next FF version. Otherwise I had now for a shorttime the FF 3.6.28 installed, official minimum specifications 233 MHz (exactly my frequence) and 64 MB RAM (I have 5 times more) and it was really extremely slow - because of JS perheaps? The only what doesn't corrsponde to my PC is that W98 but this should solve Kex (set correctly ). I deinstalled it again.Quote
siria
Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely. Must say I also use javascript only if forced, by default have it off! Mostly for security reasons, but also for performance probs with 256MB RAM. JS really slows some pages down extremely. Then if some page doesn't fully work and I really want to see it, instead of switching on JS, first thing I do is kill the css (macro "styles") and look if the hidden content may show up this way too. Works amazingly often
But otherwise your probs are far more severe. For example if a page is busy loading, I can still switch to another tab and read that one meanwhile.
What really bugs me though is the bug that I can't stop a script page once it has started loading, except if killing the internet connection!
It should be nice we could make this small but not meanigless progress to 1.7 if it shall work fine.Quote
siria
Today I'm actually intrigued that KM1.7alpha runs far better on win98 than I had remembered, and there seem to be some 1.7 bugfixes posted in the forum (mostly by realgy). And Dorian just posted today that he could fix the right-click menu bug in KM74 by removing one single line in the code, makes me wonder if that fix wouldn't possibly work in 1.7 too, and perhaps a few similar others too. Then on win98 we wouldn't be stuck with 1.6 but with 1.7, which is already a huge step forward. Only prob being, that the developers surely have no interest anymore today to waste time for win98, just for the 2-3 people still using it out there ;-) Anyway, next time a modern page fails completely, I can try with 1.7alpha first instead of another browser
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siria
Hi Mikk, do you have MFC80U.dll in your system folder??
I've this file in all 3 places - in KM as in sys as in winsxs.Quote
siria
"...all it took was to get that msvcp80.dll! That dll doesn't seem to have worked from that redist install in that winsxs folder (in win98se), but it does work fine if it's either in the KM folder or in the windows/system folder"
Today that file is already contained in the download version, but perhaps it might help a thing to copy over some more msvc... files in the sys folder?
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Another range of my noobness: What is the meaning of Javascript? I know only it's a script language and people say it should be for better security deactivated. But it must have any purpose why it is contained in the browsers. I read somhere Mozilla wants even to eliminate the possibility to deactivate it in the next FF version
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siria
Go to about:config and filter for .jit., it has to do with some advanced javascript stuff getting executed parallel at same time or such. At one point setting it to false it reduced some memory probs on win98.
What should I do, what purpose has it exactly? (I could see about:config is a sensible area especially for beginners as I am one.Quote
guenter
I forgot about the jit (just in time compiler) settings about:config name.
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Mikk
There are still many problems, new ones are appearing by using the tool. For compatible sites is IE6 still by a wide margin the fastest browser. My actual prob now with KM is I cannot see the captcha codes. JS is on.
As I see JS will be used this time for so many things, that it is allmost impossible to hold it off. Is there not any macro or similar to toggle JS for each tab separately?
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Go to about:config and filter for .jit., it has to do with some advanced javascript stuff getting executed parallel at same time or such. At one point setting it to false it reduced some memory probs on win98.What should I do, what purpose has it exactly? (I could see about:config is a sensible area especially for beginners as I am one.Quote
guenter
I forgot about the jit (just in time compiler) settings about:config name.
Thanks for the hint about F9. (Allthough german should be easier for me I think there is better here in the common part of the forum, when also non-german-understanding people understand what we talk). Displaying pictures I have on, anyway. Captcha are pcstures usually indeed but in some kind special. It happened to mee allready once longer time ago, all pictures except of captcha I could see. I thing it was caused I had activeXcontrols off that time. But today I can see it again in that web without I changed anything. I don't know what was going there yesterday.Quote
guenter
Bilder: Press F9 to toggle/umschalten images.
Ich glaube Kaptscha sind oft oder immer Bilder.
Funny I don't see any text in the buttons of the privacy bar, I can't see which button is what. Only if I let the mouse hover over that ones there appears a popup with this there.Quote
guenter
Mach mal Privacy Bar an, dann siehst du bei JS und so was du an hasst.
It was easy to me to change the value of the execution time in JS to 30 s but about the setings of jit I'm not wise.Quote
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about:config Google die Werte an denen du stellen willst vorher auf Mozillazine.
It shall be surely no problem for me sequently later to edit in about:config as I get familiary with that thing. Also about Windows registry say people it is dangerous to change there somthing there and in my first Windows time I had much respect before of it. But now it's no problem for me to meke corrections there in ranges which I allready know or which are selfexplained enough. Even I don't see as necessary to loose my time making a backup before my changes, as recommended.Quote
guenter
Zu K-Meleon 0.71 Zeiten haben wir da ständig editiert.
My favourite web kicks me off from logging-in if disable JS even if I'm just in another tab/web and the 1st one is only in background. A friend of me asked following for the possibility to toggle JS for each tab separately. I think it is not possible in the basic equipment of KM. Or indeed? Or isn't there any macro or something such for it?Quote
siria
So the best solution is to allow it on the sites YOU need it and to block it on all others.
If you never surfed the web *without* javascript just test it now and compare the speed:
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siria
View > Toolbars > Privacy Bar (what's it again in german?)
It's usually not such terrible. This problem had I sometimes years ago - perheaps on my old PC yet (166 MHz, no MMX, 128, first time even only 64 MB RAM) - sometimes went my PC very slow down at some animated GIFs as they appeared on the screen. Then I blocked image animation if necessary or said to its owner he should put it away if possible. Till now I see this phenomenon sometimes e.g. on smilie pages where the screen is full of animated ones.Quote
siria
If your computer is REALLY slow I'd also try blocking image animation
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Mikk
it seems the browser is able to do only 1 task intime. E.g. one page loads very long and in other browsers I can read e.g. other allready loaded tabs while waiting but here not. I must wait until the first page is loaded to can view other tabs or similar. Or I can insert data in a small data insert field very fast but the characters need more seconds per one to be displayed. And uring this time I can do nothing but wait.
This problem persists at me even if JS disabled.Quote
siria
if a page is busy loading, I can still switch to another tab and read that one meanwhile.
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Mikk
I want to scroll 1 display page and click the vertical bar rights for it. But it doesn't scroll only one display page but it steps page per page to the bottom or top of the whole site page. The same if I want to scroll only a few rows klicking the top or bottom of that vertical bar. It steps slowly until it reachs the top or bottom of the site page.
I have this everywhere. As longer the bar as more. It's very nerve-racking. It is one of the most used functions in the browser window mostly fully automatically clicked without to think over it. And also here: Until the page reache its top or bottom it works absolutely nothing others in KM. I must strongly avoid to tuch the range of the bar outside the button. Still again beginns the page to jump up and down because of it, I must break my work and wait when and where it stopps. On long pages it can be than allmost endless and the only way out is ctrl-alt-del. Do you know, was it allready reported as bug?Quote
siria
Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely.
Now I have this prob in one web too. Really bugging, you're right. In IE possible to stop it by clicking the cross button in the main bar, not in KM. Another bad possibility to stop it is ctrl-alt-del - not really better. Bug reported?Quote
siria
What really bugs me though is the bug that I can't stop a script page once it has started loading, except if killing the internet connection!
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Mikk
In IE possible to stop it by clicking the cross button in the main bar, not in KM. Another bad possibility to stop it is ctrl-alt-del - not really better. Bug reported?
Stranger I have it. As in myQuote
siria
Very strange that you don't have a user.js in your profile folder! Although that specific thing you don't really need, using about:config is far easier.
Some file which could be possible to try to plant it in 1.6 if it works anyway?Quote
siria
Long since reported and perhaps (?) already fixed in newest KM74, but out of reach (yet?) for win98.
Just done in my modification allthough I don't use it, as you recommended, but for preventive purpose and to hold it bugfree as possible. But what should be better on the newer hotlist.dll except of this bug or what can work less optimal with the old one? The newer is about 10 % larger than the old one.Quote
siria 3th Jan 2014 11:37(CET)
replace the opera hotlist.dll with the old one from KM154, even if you don't use it, because the newer has a bug that deletes the opera nicknames (if a user has defined any)
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C:\...\KM\K-Meleon_1.6.0Betat2.6JamesD+...\defaults\ profile
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C:\WINDOWS\Anwendungsdaten\K-Meleon\dheimgyq.default
Additionally the stepping by the PageUp and PageDown keys of the keyboard doesn't work in all web sites.Quote
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the browser is able to do only 1 task intime. E.g. one page loads very long and in other browsers I can read e.g. other allready loaded tabs while waiting (or also load more pages together while reading another one) but here not. I must wait until the first page is loaded to can view other KM tabs, windows or similar. Or when I insert data in a small data insert field the characters need more seconds per one to be displayed. And during this time I can do nothing but wait.
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Allways when I want to step 1 display page down or up and click the vertical bar rights for it. But it doesn't make only one display page step, it steps page per page to the bottom or top of the whole site page. The same if I want to step only a few rows klicking the top or bottom of that vertical bar. It steps slowly until it reachs the top or bottom of the site page.
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And also here: Until the page reache its top or bottom it works absolutely nothing others in KM. ... Still again beginns the page to jump up and down, up and down, up and down because of it, I must break my work and wait until it stopps somewhere. On long pages it can be than allmost endless and the only way out is ctrl-alt-del
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siria
Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely. Must say I also use javascript only if forced, by default have it off! Mostly for security reasons, but also for performance probs with 256MB RAM. JS really slows some pages down extremely. Then if some page doesn't fully work and I really want to see it, instead of switching on JS, first thing I do is kill the css (macro "styles") and look if the hidden content may show up this way too. Works amazingly often
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Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely. Must say I also use javascript only if forced, by default have it off! Mostly for security reasons, but also for performance probs with 256MB RAM. JS really slows some pages down extremely. Then if some page doesn't fully work and I really want to see it, instead of switching on JS, first thing I do is kill the css (macro "styles") and look if the hidden content may show up this way too. Works amazingly often
@Mikk & siria: I'd seriously consider putting more RAM and up it to 512MB and installing a faster CPU chip if possible (or buy a used PC that can handle at least 512Mb of RAM and an Intel Pentium 3 or AMD K7 CPU).
I have an old Dell Optiplex GX100 desktop computer (from early 2000s) with WinXP SP3 on one partition and Win98 on another partition; both have K-meleon on them.
Original hardware config was a 500Mhz Intel Celeron Mendocino processor with 128MB of memory and have upgraded both to a 1.1Ghz [1100Mhz] Intel Celeron Coppermine CPU and 512MB of memory. K-meleon runs better on faster CPUs and more RAM, of course. And the Firefox system requirements have been raised to be using at least an Intel Pentium 4 CPU that supports SSE2 with 512Mb of RAM.
At least I have the funds and resources to upgrade computer parts on some old computers made in the early 2000s.
btw, K-meleon 74 Beta 4 recently came out.
Translation: »Your hardware is more than enough for K-Meleon at least up to 1.7.«Quote
guenter 28. November 2013 21:23 to Mikk
Deine hardware ist mehr als ausreichend für K-Meleon bis mindestens 1.7.
We don't use Firefox but KMeleon because of its lighter requirements. And I think FF approximately corresponding to our KM is i.e. 3.6.28. Its declared minimal requirements are Prozessor Pentium 233 MHz - I have, RAM 64,0 MB - I have 320! (Siria 256 I think anyway), Windows 8 / 7 / Vista / 2003 / XP / 2000. OK, not 98 but we have KernelEx. Either it works with it or it doesn't and all messages are it should do. And W98(SE) itself needs much less ressources than XP.Quote
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K-meleon runs better on faster CPUs and more RAM, of course. And the Firefox system requirements have been raised to be using at least an Intel Pentium 4 CPU that supports SSE2 with 512Mb of RAM.
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Mikk
I want to scroll 1 display page and click the vertical bar rights for it. But it doesn't scroll only one display page but it steps page per page to the bottom or top of the whole site page. The same if I want to scroll only a few rows klicking the top or bottom of that vertical bar. It steps slowly until it reachs the top or bottom of the site page.
At least this problem at least particularly solved. It seems not to be a bug but it's wanted so. I'm not sure it's the best solution, indeed but anyway, it's so now.Quote
siria
Your endless scrolling prob I have too occasionally, but very rarely.