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With the last officially stable Version (K-Meleon 75.1) Wikipedia is no longer accessible. KM crashes immediately completely and must be quit ...
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2019 07:27PM by Voltaire.
On 75.0 I don't have a crash, but I get:
www.wikipedia.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown. (Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)
Despite I have the correct CA installed and the certificate has valid dates.
Might be the algorithm, not the usual RSA:
Elliptic Curve Public Key
ANSI X9.62 elliptic curve prime256v1 (aka secp256r1, NIST P-256)
:/
And as they don't offer plain-text anymore and they enforce SSL/TLS...
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2019 12:35AM by JohnHell.
I think I wasn't much wrong.
Mozilla included the SHA384 and the CHACHA cipher used in that certificate about 4 years ago, just after or around Dorian was building 75.x... so...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=923089
The strange is that it crashes for you. I tested now in a Windows 7 virtual machine and didn't crash, just the certificate error. In K-meleon Goanna (september build), works, as expected, anyway.
:/
Probably this is one of the things that might force me to finally move or to XP SP3, from SP2, or to 7 before finally switch to Linux (I can't find a suitable distribution, after tests and tests).
I can't live, as most of us, without a quick look to Wikipedia
, from time to time.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2019 10:57PM by JohnHell.
I tested again in XP SP2, I should have done too, but I wanted to test if Goanna was able to browse it and for that I needed Windows 7, and, in my case, didn't crash.
So, the bet is high for the certificate and cipher algorithm 
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2019 10:58PM by JohnHell.
I hate when this happens. K-meleon saying I had the CA and then I downloaded the CA from the certificate, that I already verified it was installed, and it worked.
http://secure.globalsign.com/cacert/gseccovsslca2018.crt
I also contacted wikimedia XD
Anyway. It works in K-meleon 75.1 too.
Maybe a missing translation can crash that browser version. A restriction was removed a few years ago and there is nothing to warn about in updated versions.
Wikipedia still works okay in KM1.6 too - ouf
?? Can you elaborate a bit? Does it mean that newer versions can crash anytime without a warning?
As for today WP is working again ...
But yesterday evening it did not work - neither under XP SP3 nor 8.1 - and crashed immediately ...
I don't know exactly, but approximately that time I got about 2 weeks over a warning from Wikipedia, the site shall no more support my browser (KM 1.7, u.a. FF 3.6.28) soon. Than disappeared Wikipedia really, now I get only the KM-error message »Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s)« trying reach this web. Now I must arrange my life without it.
Which user agent have you?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2020 11:09PM by Mikk.
Mikk, try to use the 1.5.4 (referred in Home/News K-meleon front page) or the 1.6 testing mod by siria with updated encryption (posted in the forum), if you are tied to those old versions by any reason.
Looks like this time there is not cipher overlap (no matching compatible algorithm in 1.6), so you'll need to use another version to access Wikipedia.
I hope I'm not wrong like the last time
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2020 02:31PM by JohnHell.
Right, John. My experimental KM1.6 update using DoItYourself is sadly not a perfect solution, but at least it gets crucial sites like Wikipedia, twitter, developer.mozilla.org, sourceforge, the PaleMoon-Forum, etc. loading again. Description for self-help here:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?2,151536
(sig) New unofficial K-Meleon 76.4 (KMG76.4) available, in own subforum.
Based on Goanna engine, called 'test' builds forever but more stable as 75.1 acc. forum members. It's 1-2 generations ahead of predecessor KM76RC-2016
K-Meleon FAQ (link missing in forum sidebar)
Tips&Tricks - Learning new stuff every day
New to K-Meleon? What do you like? What not?
Thank you both, Siria and John.
Unfortunately I have now the same wall before me as at solutions with the actual KernelEx (see my post in the German thread 02/21/2020 12:45PM). The solution cannot be installed without allready beeing installed. Trying to download the actualized 1.5.2 I get this message (the same 1.5.4 naturally; in 'Downloads' figures 1.5.2):
» K-Meleon1.5.2en-US.exe - download from prdownloads.sourceforge.net cannot be transmitted. In the support of the secure channel occured an error «
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2020 12:15PM by Mikk.
I re-quote myself.
So, this one:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?22,151512
Not hosted at sourceforge and in plain HTTP.
Thanks, John, seems I looked in the false direction.
Now I have the file K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.tls12.7z (5'515 K
but I can't decompress it, neither with 7-Zip nor UltimateZip nor RAR. Opened the program everything seems OK but - in the best case - after extracting all files are done but all have the size 0 KB. 7-Zip shows for all 367 files Diagnostic messages »Unsupported compression method". It's 1st time I see such problem with compressed files :d
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 12:37PM by Mikk.
Use a newer version of 7-zip.
It works on win98 too.
It's so arduous. You never know if today works still what yesterday worked fine. It costs so much time
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 08:32AM by Mikk.
9.20 already opens it, I just opened right now on a Windows 98 Virtual Machine...
Re-download the .7z file. Probably it just got corrupted in the download.
I have only 4.22, I had never ever problems with it. Now I tried to download 9.20 but as allready said it faild because of hosting on sourceforge
All newer not working on W98 can be easy downloaded directly from 7-zip.org
I can try if an installing of newer UltimateZip or RAR goes better
But when shall I do my urgent life essential duties, I really don't know
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 02:39PM by Mikk.
Thank god, one of the best things of MediaFire is that it still offers non-ssl downloads so, here I upload it, but so sorry for the popups and ads you suffer :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/8ckkew0s65oir2j/7z920.exe/file
Oh god, really!!!, the original file is being blocked on Copyright grounds
Here it is an alternative compressed file. A compressor compressed. Isn't funny. I find it funny.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rnbpi1jbpyqbooz/7z920.zip/file
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 02:58PM by JohnHell.
As far as I remember, unless that was changed meanwhile (?), sourceforge downloads still DO work fine without cipher prob if you know the direct download path of a file.
The version I used with basic KernelEx for years was 9.30
The KernelEx wiki says 7-zip 9.20 was the last version without Kex
Another thought: probably exists as portableapps version too?
Or perhaps in waybackmachine?
At the moment just don't have time to research which and where to download exactly, but hopefully those hints help your own reseach...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 03:47PM by siria.
(_HOWTO_ howto download files from sourceforge with old browsers)
Oh no.... Can it be they really won now??
You seem to be right, for Win98 users who didn't manage until now to update crucial stuff, the cat is biting in it's tail now, as we say here...
Only direct SF links from KMEXT still work, but that's a very special domain anyway.
Just as example:
http://kmext.sourceforge.net/extensions/imgpropplus.7z
The prob is, I can NOT rewrite that URL to other projects, like KM itself, no chance, nothing works.
So looked around further and tried downloads with old browser, but NOTHING works!
KernelEX is cipher-blocked by sourceforge, no download possible!
Downloading roytams updated browser builds is possible, but helps nothing because they cannot be unzipped with old 7z version 4.x!
And updating 7-zip is NOT possible either, cipher-blocked also by sourceforge!
Just recently someone reported the same prob, either here or on msfn, he could not unzip one of roytam's browsers. And he too had only an old 7-zip version 4.xx IIRC
He did manage to update 7z, but now I strongly doubt that's possible for other win98 users too, without having already other updates installed.
SOLUTION for SourceForge downloads . (for now...)
Okay, please try this link to UPDATE 7-ZIP 9.20 version:
(for Win98 without KernelEx)
2 original download paths, fetched just now from SourceForge itself, which are NOT YET CIPHER BLOCKED. From their current automatic mirror redirects:
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/files/7-Zip/9.20/7z920.exe/download
OK! DE netcologne: https://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/sevenzip/7-Zip/9.20/7z920.exe
OK! Canada iWeb: https://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/sevenzip/7-Zip/9.20/7z920.exe
(Hmm, those URLs look funny - domain still SF? Yet foreign mirrors obviously)
Have tested and this server still allows DOWNLOADS with old browsers (KM1.5.4 from ages ago). Can you also unzip it and use it?
How to download KernelEx 4.5.2
(stable old version, Nov 2011 / NOT needed for roytam1 builds)
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/files/KernelEx/4.5.2/KernelEx-4.5.2.exe/download
OK! https://netix.dl.sourceforge.net/project/kernelex/KernelEx/4.5.2/KernelEx-4.5.2.exe
README.txt:
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/files/KernelEx/4.5.2/README.txt/download
OK! https://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/kernelex/KernelEx/4.5.2/README.txt
Hint:
You can probably use those paths as example to download other sourceforge project files too!
E.g. K-Meleon 1.5.4
(original old version just as path example, this is NOT roytam1 forked TLS1.2 build):
Full start path for modern browsers:
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kmeleon/files/k-meleon/1.5.4/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.7z/download
Automatic mirror redirect, works on OLD BROWSERS too:
OK! https://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/kmeleon/k-meleon/1.5.4/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.7z
Just rather sure the SF boss will kill those direct links soon too, when realizing old browsers still have a chance to get files that way
Edited 8 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 07:38PM by siria.
Okay, am now hopefully done with editing the post above....
If 7z didn't work: just had a stupid typo in the path, now it's fixed.
I could install WinRAR 4.20, seems the newest version working on W98. And so I could install the modified KM 1.5.4 too.
Wikipedia works now, I hope I'll can also download files from Sourceforge now, I didn't test it yet. But it's an old KM-version anyway, some webs cannot be displayed propper, which I can see perfectly with 1.7 (not so with 1.6). And the problem with incompatible JS (in this kind known to me since summer 2018) persists of course.
I'll test it now and than I'll report about it. There are also some other messages when webs cannot be reached, occuring approximately since the same time as that »Cannot communicate securely with peer«. I'm curious if this new KM-modification helps there too
€dit: The first I did, I transfered the user agent for FF 3.6.28 from KM1.7; KM 1.5.4 has it only for FF 2.
Than I could download and install 7z-9.20 from 7-zip.org (hosted on sourceforgë)
For UltimateZip and WinZip I can't find any such propper download options as for 7z and WinRAR
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2020 12:54AM by Mikk.
Great, but 7-zip is only the absolute minimum version, still running on native Windows98(se?).
If your system allows, install a newer one. I remember there were probs with old 7z-versions when trying to unzip the "omni.ja" files of Mozilla browsers when they started using a different encryption, since a certain engine version. Currently am running 15.11, but that's on a 2016 KernelEx.
And try if your KernelEx version can run roytam1s KMG74, with KernelEx Compat set to "Win2000":
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,146040
Engine is sibling of Firefox24. When all else fails that's my most modern fallback browser, but extremely buggy yet.
You can also try Opera12.02 as a "medium" age fallback browser.
It's old but the engine was way ahead of its time, css, js, and to this day it's able to load wikipedia etc.
But not as many domains anymore as roytams new builds now.
And Firefox9 is reported to run with basic KernelEx too, but rather old as well, assume meanwhile suffering from cipher probs too.
If you want to keep using badly buggy KM1.7alpha, you could try to copy over the same encryption files from 1.5.4 as my DIY-cipher update experiment with KM1.6 (see link above) It's just a crutch, getting the most important domains like wikipedia loading again, but many others are still blocked. KMz154 is still much better with TLS1.2 domains.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2020 02:06AM by siria.
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And outsides is snowing as in the best Christamas time
www.technikteam.de
Can only access the source via googlecache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.technikteam.de/&strip=0&vwsrc=1
And waybackmachine, Nov.2018:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181130115446/https://www.technikteam.de/
May 2018 was still working:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180507093933/http://www.technikteam.de/
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 11:06AM by siria.
Possible the most of the webs newly since that time not-appearing in this matter are such ones. The GDPR was perheaps well meant but the baby is throwed out with the bathwater
I just tested and it is a server misconfiguration.
The server ACK (acknoledges the connection) but RST (resets it), so actively refuses any connection.
I don't think GDPR is the to blame, except if it is a decision by ones at charge in the site.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 01:59PM by JohnHell.
As I wrote in the german thread I failed till now trying to get 2019 KEx. Now just I looked for 2016 at least but I found only some tracks confirmating the existence of it but no one possibility for download. KEx 2019 should I still have rather, anyway
There is no version "2019", only "2016.xx"
The forum is still on MSFN, just a separate topic for the unofficial updates by jumper:
https://msfn.org/board/topic/173233-kernelex-45-core-updates-45201617/
The prob is: the last "complete" download version was 2016.17, but that's already quite old too, and rather buggy. There are some partial updates in pieces, the last was version 24. It's all on the forum and mostly in that topic, but the bits shattered throughout the pages somewhere, rather confusing... And a new fork is planned, in the future there will be 2 branches, but it's all far over my head anyway.
The last version I installed was 2016.17, which was the current one at the time, then found major bugs, and tried downgrading to v16, but that didn't help either. I would NOT recommend to install 16+17, except if really needed, since the bugs are quite heavy. For example, as already mentioned, at least on my system, some old native Win98 programs don't start anymore. It looks like disabling KernelEx in the compatMode doesn't work anymore. Although my default preference at installation has always been "disabled". And Mozilla browsers can't create SSL-related files in new profiles. That will cause "security" errors when trying to connect to a https-page. The only workaround is to copy 3 files over from an older profile. I suppose that was fixed somehow, either by Kex or in KG74, but haven't managed updating yet. And KG74 does run, thankfully, but some GUI or menu or font related bug makes it crash a lot, depending on the text in menus... and when loading first a local page and then a web page it crashes too, and vice-versa... and for every link on a page it freezes for 0.2sec, sounds hardly noticably but for 200 links that sums up... So I can only use it as a fallback browser. Even only as secondary fallback, after KM154 now. Which is a pain too with its far too old FF2 engine, but can't help it. Even KM1.6/FF3.5 was alreay a full generation ahead, with crucial new features. Am just mighty glad about the workaround that lifted my main KM1.6 to the same partial TLS1.2 level as Opera12.02. Although still breaking a lot. Insidiously a lot of pages first load, but at the slightest connection hick break anyway, the whole domain until end of session
KM154 is era Firefox2, that's stone-age! Opera12.02 is certainly a lot more advanced regarding the engine (HTML, CSS, JS). And it already had partial TLS1.2-support back then, but meanwhile of course less as in roytam's younger builds.
Ah, I was wondering why you say Opera were so slow, but now it dawns: you have probably javascript enabled all the time? As in KM1.7? Can't afford that, keep JS (and a lot other stuff) always blocked unless really needed urgently, otherwise the browser would constantly freeze. Not a certain browser, but any.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 11:06PM by siria.
General discussion about K-Meleon
Wikipedia no longer accessible - immediate crash!
Posted by:
Voltaire
Date: November 12, 2019 07:25PM
With the last officially stable Version (K-Meleon 75.1) Wikipedia is no longer accessible. KM crashes immediately completely and must be quit ...
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2019 07:27PM by Voltaire.
Re: Wikipedia no longer accessible - immediate crash!
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: November 12, 2019 08:10PM
On 75.0 I don't have a crash, but I get:
www.wikipedia.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown. (Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)
Despite I have the correct CA installed and the certificate has valid dates.
Elliptic Curve Public Key
ANSI X9.62 elliptic curve prime256v1 (aka secp256r1, NIST P-256)
:/
And as they don't offer plain-text anymore and they enforce SSL/TLS...
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2019 12:35AM by JohnHell.
Re: Wikipedia no longer accessible - immediate crash!
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: November 12, 2019 09:45PM
Mozilla included the SHA384 and the CHACHA cipher used in that certificate about 4 years ago, just after or around Dorian was building 75.x... so...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=923089
The strange is that it crashes for you. I tested now in a Windows 7 virtual machine and didn't crash, just the certificate error. In K-meleon Goanna (september build), works, as expected, anyway.
:/
Probably this is one of the things that might force me to finally move or to XP SP3, from SP2, or to 7 before finally switch to Linux (I can't find a suitable distribution, after tests and tests).
I can't live, as most of us, without a quick look to Wikipedia
, from time to time.Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2019 10:57PM by JohnHell.
Re: Wikipedia no longer accessible - immediate crash!
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: November 12, 2019 10:28PM
I tested again in XP SP2, I should have done too, but I wanted to test if Goanna was able to browse it and for that I needed Windows 7, and, in my case, didn't crash.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2019 10:58PM by JohnHell.
Re: Wikipedia no longer accessible - immediate crash!
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: November 12, 2019 10:42PM
Quote
Voltaire
With the last officially stable Version (K-Meleon 75.1) Wikipedia is no longer accessible. KM crashes immediately completely and must be quit ...
I hate when this happens. K-meleon saying I had the CA and then I downloaded the CA from the certificate, that I already verified it was installed, and it worked.
http://secure.globalsign.com/cacert/gseccovsslca2018.crt
I also contacted wikimedia XD
Anyway. It works in K-meleon 75.1 too.
Re: Wikipedia no longer accessible - immediate crash!
Posted by:
anonymous
Date: November 12, 2019 10:59PM
Maybe a missing translation can crash that browser version. A restriction was removed a few years ago and there is nothing to warn about in updated versions.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
siria
Date: November 12, 2019 11:54PM
Wikipedia still works okay in KM1.6 too - ouf
Quote
anonymous
Maybe a missing translation can crash that browser version. A restriction was removed a few years ago and there is nothing to warn about in updated versions.
?? Can you elaborate a bit? Does it mean that newer versions can crash anytime without a warning?
Re: Wikipedia / no crash anymore!!
Posted by:
Voltaire
Date: November 13, 2019 08:47AM
As for today WP is working again ...
But yesterday evening it did not work - neither under XP SP3 nor 8.1 - and crashed immediately ...
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 21, 2020 11:49AM
Does it work still?Quote
siria - November 13, 2019
Wikipedia still works okay in KM1.6 too - ouf
I don't know exactly, but approximately that time I got about 2 weeks over a warning from Wikipedia, the site shall no more support my browser (KM 1.7, u.a. FF 3.6.28) soon. Than disappeared Wikipedia really, now I get only the KM-error message »Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s)« trying reach this web. Now I must arrange my life without it.
Which user agent have you?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/24/2020 11:09PM by Mikk.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: February 21, 2020 02:30PM
Mikk, try to use the 1.5.4 (referred in Home/News K-meleon front page) or the 1.6 testing mod by siria with updated encryption (posted in the forum), if you are tied to those old versions by any reason.
Looks like this time there is not cipher overlap (no matching compatible algorithm in 1.6), so you'll need to use another version to access Wikipedia.
I hope I'm not wrong like the last time
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2020 02:31PM by JohnHell.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 21, 2020 09:32PM
Right, John. My experimental KM1.6 update using DoItYourself is sadly not a perfect solution, but at least it gets crucial sites like Wikipedia, twitter, developer.mozilla.org, sourceforge, the PaleMoon-Forum, etc. loading again. Description for self-help here:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?2,151536
(sig) New unofficial K-Meleon 76.4 (KMG76.4) available, in own subforum.
Based on Goanna engine, called 'test' builds forever but more stable as 75.1 acc. forum members. It's 1-2 generations ahead of predecessor KM76RC-2016
K-Meleon FAQ (link missing in forum sidebar)
Tips&Tricks - Learning new stuff every day
New to K-Meleon? What do you like? What not?
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 22, 2020 12:03PM
Thank you both, Siria and John.
Quote
JohnHell
Mikk, try to use the 1.5.4 (referred in Home/News K-meleon front page)
Unfortunately I have now the same wall before me as at solutions with the actual KernelEx (see my post in the German thread 02/21/2020 12:45PM). The solution cannot be installed without allready beeing installed. Trying to download the actualized 1.5.2 I get this message (the same 1.5.4 naturally; in 'Downloads' figures 1.5.2):
» K-Meleon1.5.2en-US.exe - download from prdownloads.sourceforge.net cannot be transmitted. In the support of the secure channel occured an error «
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2020 12:15PM by Mikk.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: February 22, 2020 02:20PM
I re-quote myself.
Quote
JohnHell
Mikk, try to use the 1.5.4 (referred in Home/News K-meleon front page)
So, this one:
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?22,151512
Not hosted at sourceforge and in plain HTTP.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 23, 2020 12:33PM
Thanks, John, seems I looked in the false direction.
Now I have the file K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.tls12.7z (5'515 K
but I can't decompress it, neither with 7-Zip nor UltimateZip nor RAR. Opened the program everything seems OK but - in the best case - after extracting all files are done but all have the size 0 KB. 7-Zip shows for all 367 files Diagnostic messages »Unsupported compression method". It's 1st time I see such problem with compressed files :dEdited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 12:37PM by Mikk.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 23, 2020 12:58PM
Use a newer version of 7-zip.
It works on win98 too.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 23, 2020 01:38PM
This and newer ones really don't work on W98, neither without nor with the klassical KernelEx. And all older versions are on Sourceforge hosted.Quote
HISTORY of the 7-Zip
9.32 alpha 2013-12-01
-------------------------
- Minimum supported system now is Windows 2000. 7-Zip doesn't work on Windows 95/98/ME.
It's so arduous. You never know if today works still what yesterday worked fine. It costs so much time
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 08:32AM by Mikk.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: February 23, 2020 02:01PM
Quote
Mikk
Newer really doesn't work on W98, neither without nor with the klassical KernelEx. And all older versions are on Sourceforge hosted.Quote
HISTORY of the 7-Zip
9.32 alpha 2013-12-01
-------------------------
- Minimum supported system now is Windows 2000. 7-Zip doesn't work on Windows 95/98/ME.
It's so arduous. You never know if today works still what yesterday worked fine. It costs so many time
9.20 already opens it, I just opened right now on a Windows 98 Virtual Machine...
Re-download the .7z file. Probably it just got corrupted in the download.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 23, 2020 02:35PM
This was the first I triedQuote
JohnHell
Re-download the .7z file. Probably it just got corrupted in the download.
I have only 4.22, I had never ever problems with it. Now I tried to download 9.20 but as allready said it faild because of hosting on sourceforge
Quote
7-zip.org
You can download any versions of 7-Zip (including latest beta versions) from SourceForge
All newer not working on W98 can be easy downloaded directly from 7-zip.org
I can try if an installing of newer UltimateZip or RAR goes better
But when shall I do my urgent life essential duties, I really don't know
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 02:39PM by Mikk.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: February 23, 2020 02:51PM
Thank god, one of the best things of MediaFire is that it still offers non-ssl downloads so, here I upload it, but so sorry for the popups and ads you suffer
:
Oh god, really!!!, the original file is being blocked on Copyright grounds
Here it is an alternative compressed file. A compressor compressed. Isn't funny. I find it funny.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rnbpi1jbpyqbooz/7z920.zip/file
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 02:58PM by JohnHell.
Re: Wikipedia / no crash here
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 23, 2020 03:44PM
As far as I remember, unless that was changed meanwhile (?), sourceforge downloads still DO work fine without cipher prob if you know the direct download path of a file.
The version I used with basic KernelEx for years was 9.30
The KernelEx wiki says 7-zip 9.20 was the last version without Kex
Another thought: probably exists as portableapps version too?
Or perhaps in waybackmachine?
At the moment just don't have time to research which and where to download exactly, but hopefully those hints help your own reseach...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 03:47PM by siria.
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 23, 2020 05:19PM
(_HOWTO_ howto download files from sourceforge with old browsers)
Oh no.... Can it be they really won now??
You seem to be right, for Win98 users who didn't manage until now to update crucial stuff, the cat is biting in it's tail now, as we say here...
Only direct SF links from KMEXT still work, but that's a very special domain anyway.
Just as example:
http://kmext.sourceforge.net/extensions/imgpropplus.7z
The prob is, I can NOT rewrite that URL to other projects, like KM itself, no chance, nothing works.
So looked around further and tried downloads with old browser, but NOTHING works!
KernelEX is cipher-blocked by sourceforge, no download possible!
Downloading roytams updated browser builds is possible, but helps nothing because they cannot be unzipped with old 7z version 4.x!
And updating 7-zip is NOT possible either, cipher-blocked also by sourceforge!
Just recently someone reported the same prob, either here or on msfn, he could not unzip one of roytam's browsers. And he too had only an old 7-zip version 4.xx IIRC
He did manage to update 7z, but now I strongly doubt that's possible for other win98 users too, without having already other updates installed.
SOLUTION for SourceForge downloads . (for now...)
Okay, please try this link to UPDATE 7-ZIP 9.20 version:
(for Win98 without KernelEx)
2 original download paths, fetched just now from SourceForge itself, which are NOT YET CIPHER BLOCKED. From their current automatic mirror redirects:
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/files/7-Zip/9.20/7z920.exe/download
OK! DE netcologne: https://netcologne.dl.sourceforge.net/project/sevenzip/7-Zip/9.20/7z920.exe
OK! Canada iWeb: https://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/sevenzip/7-Zip/9.20/7z920.exe
(Hmm, those URLs look funny - domain still SF? Yet foreign mirrors obviously)
Have tested and this server still allows DOWNLOADS with old browsers (KM1.5.4 from ages ago). Can you also unzip it and use it?
How to download KernelEx 4.5.2
(stable old version, Nov 2011 / NOT needed for roytam1 builds)
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/files/KernelEx/4.5.2/KernelEx-4.5.2.exe/download
OK! https://netix.dl.sourceforge.net/project/kernelex/KernelEx/4.5.2/KernelEx-4.5.2.exe
README.txt:
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/files/KernelEx/4.5.2/README.txt/download
OK! https://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/kernelex/KernelEx/4.5.2/README.txt
Hint:
You can probably use those paths as example to download other sourceforge project files too!
E.g. K-Meleon 1.5.4
(original old version just as path example, this is NOT roytam1 forked TLS1.2 build):
Full start path for modern browsers:
Blocked: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kmeleon/files/k-meleon/1.5.4/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.7z/download
Automatic mirror redirect, works on OLD BROWSERS too:
OK! https://iweb.dl.sourceforge.net/project/kmeleon/k-meleon/1.5.4/K-Meleon1.5.4en-US.7z
Just rather sure the SF boss will kill those direct links soon too, when realizing old browsers still have a chance to get files that way
Edited 8 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2020 07:38PM by siria.
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 23, 2020 07:40PM
Okay, am now hopefully done with editing the post above....
If 7z didn't work: just had a stupid typo in the path, now it's fixed.
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 23, 2020 10:46PM
I could install WinRAR 4.20, seems the newest version working on W98. And so I could install the modified KM 1.5.4 too.
Wikipedia works now, I hope I'll can also download files from Sourceforge now, I didn't test it yet. But it's an old KM-version anyway, some webs cannot be displayed propper, which I can see perfectly with 1.7 (not so with 1.6). And the problem with incompatible JS (in this kind known to me since summer 2018) persists of course.
I'll test it now and than I'll report about it. There are also some other messages when webs cannot be reached, occuring approximately since the same time as that »Cannot communicate securely with peer«. I'm curious if this new KM-modification helps there too
€dit: The first I did, I transfered the user agent for FF 3.6.28 from KM1.7; KM 1.5.4 has it only for FF 2.
Than I could download and install 7z-9.20 from 7-zip.org (hosted on sourceforgë)
For UltimateZip and WinZip I can't find any such propper download options as for 7z and WinRAR
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2020 12:54AM by Mikk.
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 24, 2020 01:54AM
Great, but 7-zip is only the absolute minimum version, still running on native Windows98(se?).
If your system allows, install a newer one. I remember there were probs with old 7z-versions when trying to unzip the "omni.ja" files of Mozilla browsers when they started using a different encryption, since a certain engine version. Currently am running 15.11, but that's on a 2016 KernelEx.
And try if your KernelEx version can run roytam1s KMG74, with KernelEx Compat set to "Win2000":
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/forum/read.php?19,146040
Engine is sibling of Firefox24. When all else fails that's my most modern fallback browser, but extremely buggy yet.
You can also try Opera12.02 as a "medium" age fallback browser.
It's old but the engine was way ahead of its time, css, js, and to this day it's able to load wikipedia etc.
But not as many domains anymore as roytams new builds now.
And Firefox9 is reported to run with basic KernelEx too, but rather old as well, assume meanwhile suffering from cipher probs too.
If you want to keep using badly buggy KM1.7alpha, you could try to copy over the same encryption files from 1.5.4 as my DIY-cipher update experiment with KM1.6 (see link above) It's just a crutch, getting the most important domains like wikipedia loading again, but many others are still blocked. KMz154 is still much better with TLS1.2 domains.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2020 02:06AM by siria.
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 26, 2020 09:02AM
Unfortunately this kind of no more reachable webs persistsQuote
Mikk February 24, 2020 12:46AM
I'll test it now and than I'll report about it. There are also some other messages when webs cannot be reached, occuring approximately since the same time as that »Cannot communicate securely with peer«. I'm curious if this new KM-modification helps there too
:
No of the 3 named possible reasons matchs. I don't know the reason for it, if such webs are generally closed (for all browsers), eventuallyQuote
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Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 26, 2020 10:29AM
www.technikteam.de
Can only access the source via googlecache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.technikteam.de/&strip=0&vwsrc=1
And waybackmachine, Nov.2018:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181130115446/https://www.technikteam.de/
May 2018 was still working:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180507093933/http://www.technikteam.de/
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 11:06AM by siria.
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 26, 2020 12:38PM
Cause seems such webs exist formally but they are out of the basic functionalityQuote
siria
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.technikteam.de/&strip=0&vwsrc=1
It was the last before the last appearance, occuring in the first days after thr implemetation of the GDPR (DSGVO) - one of the victims of it not having ressources enough to fulfil the new restrictions. I knew it primary as an useful forum for IT and related questions.Quote
siria
Nov.2018:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181130115446/https://www.technikteam.de/
May 2018 was still working:
Possible the most of the webs newly since that time not-appearing in this matter are such ones. The GDPR was perheaps well meant but the baby is throwed out with the bathwater
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
JohnHell
Date: February 26, 2020 01:59PM
I just tested and it is a server misconfiguration.
The server ACK (acknoledges the connection) but RST (resets it), so actively refuses any connection.
I don't think GDPR is the to blame, except if it is a decision by ones at charge in the site.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 01:59PM by JohnHell.
Re: Wikipedia / UPDATE 7-zip required but prob in Win98!
Posted by:
Mikk
Date: February 26, 2020 02:17PM
Unfortuntely doesn't run. I get only the message »K-Meleon failed to initialize. Please reinstall«Quote
siria February 24, 2020 03:54AM
And try if your KernelEx version can run roytam1s KMG74, with KernelEx Compat set to "Win2000"
Where can I get it?Quote
siria
...but that's on a 2016 KernelEx.
As I wrote in the german thread I failed till now trying to get 2019 KEx. Now just I looked for 2016 at least but I found only some tracks confirmating the existence of it but no one possibility for download. KEx 2019 should I still have rather, anyway
I took Opera as the first as I looked for replacement for IE6 years ago, still full supported for W98 that time but no more long. And it showed soon first difficult incompatiblities as the support stopped. Than came even 12.02 with KEx. But it worked very heavily, slowly with long waitings. Also without it I don't think that the compatibility today is better than KM 1.5.4. Or but?Quote
siria
Opera12.02 as a "medium" age fallback browser.
Re: Wikipedia... / Win98 updates
Posted by:
siria
Date: February 26, 2020 10:43PM
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Mikk
Where can I get it?
As I wrote in the german thread I failed till now trying to get 2019 KEx. Now just I looked for 2016 at least but I found only some tracks confirmating the existence of it but no one possibility for download. KEx 2019 should I still have rather, anyway
There is no version "2019", only "2016.xx"
The forum is still on MSFN, just a separate topic for the unofficial updates by jumper:
https://msfn.org/board/topic/173233-kernelex-45-core-updates-45201617/
The prob is: the last "complete" download version was 2016.17, but that's already quite old too, and rather buggy. There are some partial updates in pieces, the last was version 24. It's all on the forum and mostly in that topic, but the bits shattered throughout the pages somewhere, rather confusing... And a new fork is planned, in the future there will be 2 branches, but it's all far over my head anyway.
The last version I installed was 2016.17, which was the current one at the time, then found major bugs, and tried downgrading to v16, but that didn't help either. I would NOT recommend to install 16+17, except if really needed, since the bugs are quite heavy. For example, as already mentioned, at least on my system, some old native Win98 programs don't start anymore. It looks like disabling KernelEx in the compatMode doesn't work anymore. Although my default preference at installation has always been "disabled". And Mozilla browsers can't create SSL-related files in new profiles. That will cause "security" errors when trying to connect to a https-page. The only workaround is to copy 3 files over from an older profile. I suppose that was fixed somehow, either by Kex or in KG74, but haven't managed updating yet. And KG74 does run, thankfully, but some GUI or menu or font related bug makes it crash a lot, depending on the text in menus... and when loading first a local page and then a web page it crashes too, and vice-versa... and for every link on a page it freezes for 0.2sec, sounds hardly noticably but for 200 links that sums up... So I can only use it as a fallback browser. Even only as secondary fallback, after KM154 now. Which is a pain too with its far too old FF2 engine, but can't help it. Even KM1.6/FF3.5 was alreay a full generation ahead, with crucial new features. Am just mighty glad about the workaround that lifted my main KM1.6 to the same partial TLS1.2 level as Opera12.02. Although still breaking a lot. Insidiously a lot of pages first load, but at the slightest connection hick break anyway, the whole domain until end of session
Quote
Mikk
I took Opera as the first as I looked for replacement for IE6 years ago, still full supported for W98 that time but no more long. And it showed soon first difficult incompatiblities as the support stopped. Than came even 12.02 with KEx. But it worked very heavily, slowly with long waitings. Also without it I don't think that the compatibility today is better than KM 1.5.4. Or but?
KM154 is era Firefox2, that's stone-age! Opera12.02 is certainly a lot more advanced regarding the engine (HTML, CSS, JS). And it already had partial TLS1.2-support back then, but meanwhile of course less as in roytam's younger builds.
Ah, I was wondering why you say Opera were so slow, but now it dawns: you have probably javascript enabled all the time? As in KM1.7? Can't afford that, keep JS (and a lot other stuff) always blocked unless really needed urgently, otherwise the browser would constantly freeze. Not a certain browser, but any.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2020 11:06PM by siria.
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